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Need signatures witnessing by state official

Posted: Thu Apr 8, 2021 9:37pm
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Purple gran

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We are selling our apartment in France.  The French notaire has sent us a seven page document (in French) which needs our initials on the bottom of each page, and full signature on the final page.  These need to be witnessed by a notary, mayor, or officer of the State. The document gives power of attorney to the French notaire’s clerk to sign sales documents on our behalf.

Simple, we thought.  Wrong.  We are reeling having visited a notary today.  Apparently, before this can happen, the document will need to be officially translated into Spanish and we shall then need to take out a Spanish procuration, involving time and money, lots of money with translation services starting at €50/page and, presumably they will insist on the Spanish document then having an official translation into English etc. Etc.

Does anyone have experience of having signatures witnessed by the mayor or an officer of the State? How do we set about doing this?

As a last resort, we shall have to travel to France after all, but for obvious reasons we’re hoping to avoid this.

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Posted: Fri Apr 9, 2021 10:38am

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Posted: Fri Apr 9, 2021 10:38am

In order not to get through expensive sworn translations, the Hague Apostille etc. have your signature witnessed by the French Consul, Rambla Méndez Núñez, 44, 03002 Alicante, Phone 865 680 042, closes at 1 pm. Bonne chance

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Posted: Fri Apr 9, 2021 11:11am

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Posted: Fri Apr 9, 2021 11:11am

killjoy wrote on Fri Apr 9, 2021 10:38am:

In order not to get through expensive sworn translations, the Hague Apostille etc. have your signature witnessed by the French Consul, Rambla Méndez Núñez, 44, 03002 Alicante, Phone 865 680 042, closes at 1 pm. Bonne chance

Thank you Killjoy for this, in fact yesterday’s notary knows the guy at Alicante and has spent much time contacting him ( for free)  Apparently they don’t carry out this service at Alicante, but should at Valencia, which would in itself be simpler than travelling to and from France.

When we lived in France, anything that needed certifying to go back to the UK was witnessed by the local pharmacist, pity that’s not good enough for Europe.

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Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 10:05am

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Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 10:05am

@purple gran: in earlier years, in Germany at any police station would do this for a few pennies, here in Spain for changing ownership of vehicles, the vendor's signature had to be witnessed by a bank. Now everytghing becomes more complicated and costs more money. Did you read George Orwell's 1984? I did at the age of 14 and couldn't sleep for 3 nights. Terrifying then, now reality is far ahead and refined. You can never be sure from being watched and monitored at any moment.

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Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:35pm

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killjoy wrote on Sat Apr 10, 2021 10:05am:

@purple gran: in earlier years, in Germany at any police station would do this for a few pennies, here in Spain for changing ownership of vehicles, the vendor's signature had to be witnessed by a bank. Now everytghing becomes more complicated and costs more money. Did you read George Orwell's 198...

...4? I did at the age of 14 and couldn't sleep for 3 nights. Terrifying then, now reality is far ahead and refined. You can never be sure from being watched and monitored at any moment.

I started Animal Farm and decided George Orwell not for me, but find it fascinating how much science fiction has turned out to be science fact.  Our children in the UK do not realise how their home is turning into a police state.

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Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:42pm

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killjoy wrote on Sat Apr 10, 2021 10:05am:

@purple gran: in earlier years, in Germany at any police station would do this for a few pennies, here in Spain for changing ownership of vehicles, the vendor's signature had to be witnessed by a bank. Now everytghing becomes more complicated and costs more money. Did you read George Orwell's 198...

...4? I did at the age of 14 and couldn't sleep for 3 nights. Terrifying then, now reality is far ahead and refined. You can never be sure from being watched and monitored at any moment.

So Killjoy, not .sure whether to feel mad or sad.

One hears much about unscrupulous Spanish lawyers, were we naive to think that notaries, being public officials, were different?  Or maybe our guy with the ‘friend’ at the French consulate in Alicante was misinformed?
Whichever, after running around like headless chickens to find a state official and thinking we’d found one in the registrar, before the guy organising that was ill, triggering an email to the French consulate in Valencia, who referred us back to Alicante; this morning we arrived at French consulate in Alicante at 10:10, for a 10:30 appointment, and were out of the building by 10:25 with all documentation completed.

All for 1/10th the price of the notary!

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Posted: Sat May 1, 2021 2:42pm

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Posted: Sat May 1, 2021 2:42pm

I had more or less the same problem in the U.K. regarding an Italian property sale for which I needed to set up a power of attorney. Nightmare in full lockdown to say the least.

Definitely and legally ripped off by everyone concerned, lol.

I managed to do it within the deadline but it cost me a fortune in translations, legal documents, and the rest! 

Janice

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