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Padron? Residencia?

Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:15pm
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Geemak

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What kind of a country is this anyway? Different areas have different rules and apply them ias they see fit.

In Alicante jurisdiction, it appears that not having had "The Padron" before 2020 automatically disqualifies anyone from obtaining residencia. So, owning a property for 20 years, improving that property, maintaining everything about it to a very high standard, having excellent banking record, breaking no laws, paying all bills, taxes etc. without fuss or delay counts for nothing.

Yet a criminal can break into a house, sell anything of value found therein, occupy it and use it as a "base" for any (usually criminal), purpose, coming and going without hindrance, pay no bills, render the place uninhabitable, yet the legal owner is virtually powerless to do anything and has no assistance from the law. Eventually, the owner may become a client of the latest "industry", paying a fee, (plus commission of course), via some nice organisation often run by known criminals.

tebo53

Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:34pm

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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:34pm

Geemak wrote on Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:15pm:

What kind of a country is this anyway? Different areas have different rules and apply them ias they see fit.

In Alicante jurisdiction, it appears that not having had "The Padron" before 2020 automatically disqualifies anyone from obtaining residencia. So, owning a property for 20 years, improving that property, maintaining everything about it to a very high standard, having excellent banking record, bre...

...aking no laws, paying all bills, taxes etc. without fuss or delay counts for nothing.

Yet a criminal can break into a house, sell anything of value found therein, occupy it and use it as a "base" for any (usually criminal), purpose, coming and going without hindrance, pay no bills, render the place uninhabitable, yet the legal owner is virtually powerless to do anything and has no assistance from the law. Eventually, the owner may become a client of the latest "industry", paying a fee, (plus commission of course), via some nice organisation often run by known criminals.

Quote "it appears that not having had "The Padron" before 2020 automatically disqualifies anyone from obtaining residencia"...

That is not true at all. You can apply for residency by going through the visa route then applying for residency. 

Steve 

Kelvin1960

Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:51pm

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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:51pm

Geemak wrote on Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:15pm:

What kind of a country is this anyway? Different areas have different rules and apply them ias they see fit.

In Alicante jurisdiction, it appears that not having had "The Padron" before 2020 automatically disqualifies anyone from obtaining residencia. So, owning a property for 20 years, improving that property, maintaining everything about it to a very high standard, having excellent banking record, bre...

...aking no laws, paying all bills, taxes etc. without fuss or delay counts for nothing.

Yet a criminal can break into a house, sell anything of value found therein, occupy it and use it as a "base" for any (usually criminal), purpose, coming and going without hindrance, pay no bills, render the place uninhabitable, yet the legal owner is virtually powerless to do anything and has no assistance from the law. Eventually, the owner may become a client of the latest "industry", paying a fee, (plus commission of course), via some nice organisation often run by known criminals.

The process changed at end 2020 - you must now use the visa route.

Anyone living in Spain pre-end 2020 (i.e. in Spain more than 6 months/year), should have been registered on the padron.

elinspain

Posted: Wed Sep 1, 2021 8:35am

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Posted: Wed Sep 1, 2021 8:35am

Hello

Rules ,laws and legal requirements apply to everyone,  wherever you choose to live. they are not all  tailored to individuals.

 Before you buy property or move to another country -- find out what they are  and  what will apply to you.

Cheers

Elinspain

Geemak

Posted: Wed Sep 1, 2021 9:31am

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Posted: Wed Sep 1, 2021 9:31am

elinspain wrote on Wed Sep 1, 2021 8:35am:

Hello

Rules ,laws and legal requirements apply to everyone,  wherever you choose to live. they are not all  tailored to individuals.

 Before you buy property or move to another country -- find out what they are  and  what will apply to you.

Cheers

Elinspain

My post did was not about myself, merely an observation, but it would appear that this forum is frequented by smug individuals who cannot wait to show how clever they, (think), they are - and they are classified as "helpfull" and "super helpful"  contributers?

Carry on.

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Kelvin1960

Posted: Wed Sep 1, 2021 10:58am

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Posted: Wed Sep 1, 2021 10:58am

Geemak wrote on Wed Sep 1, 2021 9:31am:

My post did was not about myself, merely an observation, but it would appear that this forum is frequented by smug individuals who cannot wait to show how clever they, (think), they are - and they are classified as "helpfull" and "super helpful"  contributers?

Carry on.

So your provocative post was based on hearsay ?

Kimmy11

Posted: Wed Sep 1, 2021 11:02am

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Posted: Wed Sep 1, 2021 11:02am

Hi Geemak,

Spain is divided into 17 autonomous regional governments, so in addition to Spanish state law, we also have to comply with regional law set by the autonomous region in which we live - similar to UK law handed down by Westminster, alongside devolved government law in Scotland, Wales, etc.

It's actually illegal to register on the Padron unless you intend to apply for residency.  In that case, you can get a temporary Padron from your Town Hall, as one of the documents you need to support your residency application.  Many UK citizens did this last year, to beat the Brexit transition deadline,  even though some were unable to get residency appointments until after 1 January 2021 because of the backlog in applications.

I'm afraid that Brexit has ruined the plans of many - even some who voted for it! - but it was the UK's choice to leave the EU, not Spain's.  The route to residency for UK citizens, now that we've relegated ourselves to Third Country status, is via the Spanish visa system.  There's quite a lot of info on the forum already, including a guide on how to apply for a Non-lucrative visa, the one that retirees typically use.

Kind regards, 

Kim 

tebo53

Posted: Wed Sep 1, 2021 11:03am

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Posted: Wed Sep 1, 2021 11:03am

Geemak wrote on Wed Sep 1, 2021 9:31am:

My post did was not about myself, merely an observation, but it would appear that this forum is frequented by smug individuals who cannot wait to show how clever they, (think), they are - and they are classified as "helpfull" and "super helpful"  contributers?

Carry on.

If you've had property for 20 years you should have known what is required to get a Padron and Residency,  so what exactly is you point? 

Steve 

Geemak

Posted: Wed Sep 1, 2021 11:30am

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Posted: Wed Sep 1, 2021 11:30am

tebo53 wrote on Wed Sep 1, 2021 11:03am:

If you've had property for 20 years you should have known what is required to get a Padron and Residency,  so what exactly is you point? 

Steve 

Try reading my last, line 1, words 1 to 6, and you may see that your response is not relevant.

tebo53

Posted: Wed Sep 1, 2021 11:39am

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Posted: Wed Sep 1, 2021 11:39am

Geemak wrote on Wed Sep 1, 2021 11:30am:

Try reading my last, line 1, words 1 to 6, and you may see that your response is not relevant.

It seems to me that your original post was definitely about you!!

And you being annoyed that after 20 years of living illegally and staying under the radar that now you are limited to 90 days in 180 days and can't do as you like...

Become a legal resident. 

Steve 

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