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POLL: What would you vote in a new Brexit referendum? - Page 10

GrahamF

Posted: Mon Nov 4, 2019 3:38pm

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Posted: Mon Nov 4, 2019 3:38pm

Out of the people that voted..and everybody Who has voting rights had the chance. Anyway 1000000 more people voted LEAVE than remain on what we were told was the only vote there was going to be. Accept It. Democracy should prevail.

Or shall we have best of 10 or maybe you just like European democracy which is that when people vote against something just tell them to vote again until they get the right result...eg Ireland, Portugal, Greece and Danmark to name a few

Shawnw

Posted: Mon Nov 4, 2019 3:51pm

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Posted: Mon Nov 4, 2019 3:51pm

There will never be a second referendum, as this would smack of the rich remainers overturning a democratic vote and the shame on our democratic system would never go away.

I am English and wanted our rugby team to win the world cup last weekend, we lost and although i dont like it, we dont get another go just because the result isnt what we wanted.

Great Britain is a democratic country, there was a vote and a result, that should be the end of it.

Shawnw

Posted: Mon Nov 4, 2019 3:54pm

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Posted: Mon Nov 4, 2019 3:54pm

Kimmy11 wrote on Tue Oct 8, 2019 10:54am:

"...vote leave....just like everyone else did"?  

I think you'll find that 48.11% voted to remain.

Kind regards, 

Kim

So that is a loss then.

Leave it is.

jimtaylor

Posted: Mon Nov 4, 2019 3:57pm

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Posted: Mon Nov 4, 2019 3:57pm

Sorry, Graham and Shawn, but I have to question your logic.

In the 1975 referendum - which many people have forgotten about - there was a majority of nearly nine million in favour of remaining in the EU. 

That was a democratic decision with an overwhelming vote in favour, whereas the 2016 referendum had a comparatively narrow margin, with many people's votes being based on misinformation.

Add to that the fact that the implications are now much clearer, plus the voting demography has changed, and I support a new referendum.

I'd also point out that over the last three years the weakened pound has cost the UK billions in extra import charges.

Ray

Posted: Mon Nov 4, 2019 4:02pm

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Posted: Mon Nov 4, 2019 4:02pm

Well said Shawnw and Millions of Democratic people agree with you. All this rubbish about this and that deal it was in or out . Even those who missed out on an Education can understand that.

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Ray

Posted: Mon Nov 4, 2019 4:07pm

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Posted: Mon Nov 4, 2019 4:07pm

Sorry Jim the 1975 referendum was about joining a Common Market. Nothing to due with forming a European Union.which has evolved over time.

Ray.

Davebev1

Posted: Mon Nov 4, 2019 4:21pm

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Posted: Mon Nov 4, 2019 4:21pm

Shawnw wrote on Mon Nov 4, 2019 3:51pm:

There will never be a second referendum, as this would smack of the rich remainers overturning a democratic vote and the shame on our democratic system would never go away.

I am English and wanted our rugby team to win the world cup last weekend, we lost and although i dont like it, we dont get another go just because the result isnt what we wanted....

...

Great Britain is a democratic country, there was a vote and a result, that should be the end of it.

The difference with the rugby world cup is it happens every 4 years so the result changes every four years.  By next June it will be four years since the 2016 referendum so under your analogy we should have another go then!  

In 2015 we voted in an  general election for a government on a fixed term of 5 years - we did the same again two years later in 2017 and now we are doing the same again two and half years later in 2019!  Are the 2015 and 2017 election results therefore democratic votes that are being 'ignored' or 'overturned'?

To be democratic something, by definition, must also be 100% legal.  On 3 separate occasions there have been rulings that the campaigns and/or vote were not legal - 17.7.18  by the EC, 14.9.18 by the High Court and 21.11.18 in a JR, plus on 21.2.19 the PM's QC (Sir James Eadie) stated in the High Court in the case of Wilson and others -v- PM and EC, that May was fully aware of the FACT that "the 2016 referendum leave vote was corrupt and illegal as defined by the Representation of the People Act 1983", (you can find that on u-tube and watch the whole proceedings to hear that admission).  If the referendum had been legally binding, (it was and remains only legally advisory under the Act under which it was initiated), then it would, under UK law and under the Vienna Convention, have been declared null and void.  So, in legal terms the 2016 vote was not legal, binding, democratic or final. 

I am also somewhat puzzled by your 'rich remainers' idea when "vote leave" and "leave.eu" were (and are still) funded by billionaires.  No doubt there are rich and poor in both camps.

You also refer just to GB, which excludes NI.  That has been one of the biggest problems surrounding this, people not understanding the NI/Ireland issue and just dismissing it.

jimtaylor

Posted: Mon Nov 4, 2019 4:21pm

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Posted: Mon Nov 4, 2019 4:21pm

Ray wrote on Mon Nov 4, 2019 4:07pm:

Sorry Jim the 1975 referendum was about joining a Common Market. Nothing to due with forming a European Union.which has evolved over time.

Ray.

Nope! The UK joined the EU in 1973.

Kimmy11

Posted: Mon Nov 4, 2019 4:24pm

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Posted: Mon Nov 4, 2019 4:24pm

Shawnw wrote on Mon Nov 4, 2019 3:54pm:

So that is a loss then.

Leave it is.

Shawnw, you've taken my comment out of context, which was in response to DeaninSpain's comment:

".....vote leave....just like everyone else did"

My point had nothing to do with who 'won' or 'lost', it was simply pointing out that NOT everyone else voted leave.


John56

Posted: Mon Nov 4, 2019 4:32pm

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Posted: Mon Nov 4, 2019 4:32pm

jimtaylor wrote on Mon Nov 4, 2019 4:21pm:

Nope! The UK joined the EU in 1973.

Nope. The United Kingdom entered the European Community or Common Market on 01/01/1973 under the Conservative government of Edward Heath. The EU was created by the Maastricht Treaty, which entered into force on November 1, 1993.

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