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Aikidoamigo wrote on Thu Aug 4, 2022 10:57pm:

I wonder how much energy could be saved and pollution prevented if the yanks stopped dropping bombs around the world? 🤔

Don’t think the Yanks are dropping bombs around the world. In fact, Im very sure they are not. If they are ever forced to do that, we will all know about it very quickly. And it will be a lot more concerning than Spain setting a temperature limit of  27 degrees for air con. Or should I say 80.6 degrees Fahrenheit. (Definitely NO vote required regarding degrees F or degrees C). But seriously, smart meters and big brother will eventually control domestic power consumption. But maybe not for everyone, which is also potentially concerning. 

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Danny75 wrote on Thu Aug 4, 2022 11:33pm:

Yanks dropping bombs around the world? I think it’s pretty obvious who are dropping bombs at the moment, and it isn’t the “Yanks”

Are you guys serious?


.. they may have Saudis and others with the fingers on the trigger but the USA is actively involved in very many cases.

So not including those that they actively encourage / supply covertly or otherwise.


check out CRF.org who show a global conflict tracker


Anyhows, I think I’ve drifted off topic…. Apologies



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Aikidoamigo wrote on Fri Aug 5, 2022 11:52pm:

Are you guys serious?


.. they may have Saudis and others with the fingers on the trigger but the USA is actively involved in very many cases.

So not including those that they actively encourage / supply covertly or otherwise.


check out CRF.org who show a global conflict tracker


Anyhows, I think I’ve drifted off topic…. Apologies



The British are involved with many undercover operations, which make them the best at what they do. 

But this anti-American rubbish, while Russia is doing what it is doing, is just brain washed drivel. Is America crazy at times? Yes. Have they saved the free world with the bodies of their young men twice, yes.

Have they protected Western Europe for over 70 years? Yes.

Anyway, I’m sure this conversation started about air conditioning.  

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Danny75 wrote on Sat Aug 6, 2022 1:01am:

The British are involved with many undercover operations, which make them the best at what they do. 

But this anti-American rubbish, while Russia is doing what it is doing, is just brain washed drivel. Is America crazy at times? Yes. Have they saved the free world with the bodies of their young men twice, yes....

...

Have they protected Western Europe for over 70 years? Yes.

Anyway, I’m sure this conversation started about air conditioning.  

Exactly, no one knows what really goes on, especially me…

we could talk at length for sure and never totally agree, but this is my last post on the subject. 

I guess what I was wanting to say was, a good way for governments to save energy and stop global warming would be to stop dropping bombs 

One death from conflict is one death too many, I hope we can agree on that much.

… Must burn a lot of energy to sail to the South China Sea 

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Lukas wrote on Thu Aug 4, 2022 10:00am:

A decree published on Tuesday morning in the official state gazette and scheduled to go into effect next week mandates that air conditioning in public places be set at or above 27 degrees Celsius (about 80 degrees Fahrenheit) and that doors of those buildings remain closed to save energy.

Those public places include offices, shops, bars, theaters, airports, and train stations. The decree is being extended as a recommendation to all Spanish households. The rules include maintaining heating at or below 19 degrees Celsius (about 66 degrees Fahrenheit) in the winter and will ...

Why on earth does Spain need to conserve energy, the country has solar, they are not heavily dependant on gas..The Uk now has fields full of Solar panels and wind turbines.

If governments around the world was serious about this issue, every home should be built with solar, especially in countries like Spain.. Of course Iberdrola and companies that control the grid wouldn't like that. The population producing their own power. That would never do, big companies losing money.  I live in the Uk but have had solar hot water on my roof for 10 years. My bolier is off for the majority of the summer, even in the winter it heats up to about 40 so only a top up from the boiler is required for a short period for the hot water.

Only hybrid cars are useful in the fact that they can produce their own electricity, whereas fully electrictic cars rely on being charged from a source, much of this is still produced by fosil fuels. Not as green as many think they are .They need batteries, for which the Lithium is being plundered yet again from the earth.They don't last that long about 3-5 years at most and are very costly to replace. So a second hand electric vehicle of 3-4 years will need a new battery, add that on to the cost of the vehicle and it will probably end up as similar cost of a new vehicle.

We need much more nuclear power, solar on the roofs and why other counties with large coastlines are not harnessing the power of the sea, is beyond belief.

Everything is far to slow, so then you have to wonder why the governments don't just make this a priority if its as bad as the say it is? Instead they say, turn down the air-con, don't have your heating on, use less water....... They don't build extra resevoirs to store water, which much just goes into the ground and could be saved. Israel has the largest desalination plant, powered entirely by solar and they make enough clean water for the whole country and an excess which they sell to other mid-eastern countries.

Our Countries make fuel and energy prices so high that soon there will be civil unrest. Already in the Uk, Don't pay.uk is planning a big campaign. Some people will just not be able to pay. £3500+ is totally unaffordable for millions especailly the poor and pensioners who will be afraid to turn their heating on.

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Alfapash wrote on Mon Aug 8, 2022 11:38am:

Why on earth does Spain need to conserve energy, the country has solar, they are not heavily dependant on gas..The Uk now has fields full of Solar panels and wind turbines.

If governments around the world was serious about this issue, every home should be built with solar, especially in countries like Spain.. Of course Iberdrola and companies that control the grid wouldn't like that. The population producing their own power. That would never do, big companies losing...

... money.  I live in the Uk but have had solar hot water on my roof for 10 years. My bolier is off for the majority of the summer, even in the winter it heats up to about 40 so only a top up from the boiler is required for a short period for the hot water.

Only hybrid cars are useful in the fact that they can produce their own electricity, whereas fully electrictic cars rely on being charged from a source, much of this is still produced by fosil fuels. Not as green as many think they are .They need batteries, for which the Lithium is being plundered yet again from the earth.They don't last that long about 3-5 years at most and are very costly to replace. So a second hand electric vehicle of 3-4 years will need a new battery, add that on to the cost of the vehicle and it will probably end up as similar cost of a new vehicle.

We need much more nuclear power, solar on the roofs and why other counties with large coastlines are not harnessing the power of the sea, is beyond belief.

Everything is far to slow, so then you have to wonder why the governments don't just make this a priority if its as bad as the say it is? Instead they say, turn down the air-con, don't have your heating on, use less water....... They don't build extra resevoirs to store water, which much just goes into the ground and could be saved. Israel has the largest desalination plant, powered entirely by solar and they make enough clean water for the whole country and an excess which they sell to other mid-eastern countries.

Our Countries make fuel and energy prices so high that soon there will be civil unrest. Already in the Uk, Don't pay.uk is planning a big campaign. Some people will just not be able to pay. £3500+ is totally unaffordable for millions especailly the poor and pensioners who will be afraid to turn their heating on.

You are correct, and soon the sh1t is going to hit the fan in the UK, it’s unbelievable that the government don’t see it coming, they have their heads in the sand. Don’t pay.uk is going to have a lot of support, but to be honest, and it’s sad that a lot of supporters will be Can’t pay, not Don’t pay. With the oil and gas companies making so much profit, and honest, genuine folks not being to afford to cook and heat their homes is nothing short of criminal. I am not referring to the types who have never done a days work in their lives, and live on benefits and know how to get every benefit going, free of charge. Yes, they do exist, I am referring to the genuine working class individuals who have never claimed a benefit in their lives. Bottom line, if you can’t afford to pay, you can’t pay, so don’t pay. Then someone in authority has to take responsibility and admit that it is a crisis, and do something about it. 

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Hew wrote on Mon Aug 8, 2022 9:39pm:

You are correct, and soon the sh1t is going to hit the fan in the UK, it’s unbelievable that the government don’t see it coming, they have their heads in the sand. Don’t pay.uk is going to have a lot of support, but to be honest, and it’s sad that a lot of supporters will be Can’t pay, ...

...not Don’t pay. With the oil and gas companies making so much profit, and honest, genuine folks not being to afford to cook and heat their homes is nothing short of criminal. I am not referring to the types who have never done a days work in their lives, and live on benefits and know how to get every benefit going, free of charge. Yes, they do exist, I am referring to the genuine working class individuals who have never claimed a benefit in their lives. Bottom line, if you can’t afford to pay, you can’t pay, so don’t pay. Then someone in authority has to take responsibility and admit that it is a crisis, and do something about it. 

Yes Hew, and furthermore the governments haven't a clue and what is worst is they don't care or give a damm. Sunak and his wfe are so wealthy they wouldn't even know or understand what it's like to live on the minimum wage or a state pension. Many pensioners don't even get the full amount and there is a 2 tier system where if you retired before 2016 they are on the basic state pension, £141.85 but retire's from 2016 get £185.15, providing they have the full qualifing years, which millions don't. I still don't see how that is right to pay one group £44 more than another.

To make matters worse he turns up to meeting a week ago in a £3500 suit, that's someones energy bill for a year on one suit. If if can afford it which clearly he can, he's fortunate but for those at the other end of the scale, he doesn't have a clue as to how the majority of the population will not be able to pay these huge hikes and its not only energy, but food and everything else. This is why someone like him shouldn't be PM nor Truss either, clueless and witless.

All companies need to make a profit, however they were still making profits all through the pandemic and since the Ukraine war, now its simply off the scale, how can that be right, its offensive to say the least.

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Alfapash wrote on Mon Aug 8, 2022 11:38am:

Why on earth does Spain need to conserve energy, the country has solar, they are not heavily dependant on gas..The Uk now has fields full of Solar panels and wind turbines.

If governments around the world was serious about this issue, every home should be built with solar, especially in countries like Spain.. Of course Iberdrola and companies that control the grid wouldn't like that. The population producing their own power. That would never do, big companies losing...

... money.  I live in the Uk but have had solar hot water on my roof for 10 years. My bolier is off for the majority of the summer, even in the winter it heats up to about 40 so only a top up from the boiler is required for a short period for the hot water.

Only hybrid cars are useful in the fact that they can produce their own electricity, whereas fully electrictic cars rely on being charged from a source, much of this is still produced by fosil fuels. Not as green as many think they are .They need batteries, for which the Lithium is being plundered yet again from the earth.They don't last that long about 3-5 years at most and are very costly to replace. So a second hand electric vehicle of 3-4 years will need a new battery, add that on to the cost of the vehicle and it will probably end up as similar cost of a new vehicle.

We need much more nuclear power, solar on the roofs and why other counties with large coastlines are not harnessing the power of the sea, is beyond belief.

Everything is far to slow, so then you have to wonder why the governments don't just make this a priority if its as bad as the say it is? Instead they say, turn down the air-con, don't have your heating on, use less water....... They don't build extra resevoirs to store water, which much just goes into the ground and could be saved. Israel has the largest desalination plant, powered entirely by solar and they make enough clean water for the whole country and an excess which they sell to other mid-eastern countries.

Our Countries make fuel and energy prices so high that soon there will be civil unrest. Already in the Uk, Don't pay.uk is planning a big campaign. Some people will just not be able to pay. £3500+ is totally unaffordable for millions especailly the poor and pensioners who will be afraid to turn their heating on.

Hi,

  on average lithium batteries in cars are expected to last between 10 and 20 years. Tesla expect their batteries to last between 300 - 500 thousand miles, between 21 - 35 years based on a average mileage on 14,000 miles. Tesla are currently working on a battery that that will last 1 million miles, I'm sure they are not the only company working of this.

 If you google lithium battery life you'll find all the facts above and more.

Rgds,

Aitch.

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Not sure how we went from aircon to electric cars - but.

The 27 degrees temperature recommendation - was almost instantly rubbished- it´s for commercial and was ruled as not always being practical and in some instances  ´infringement of human rights´ were being quoted - as well as other issues of practicality such as insulation. In summary won´t happen, though companies will try to make some recommended reviews.

For those with a little spare cash, you can drive your car free of fuel. 

If you buy an electric car, put 10 panels on the top of your garage or car port - that should produce around 70km of charge for the average car per day. 90% of journeys under 20km - so you could cover most of your driving free,  as long as you could afford and have the space to put in the panels - which is a little costly front end, but as you won´t be paying for fuel/charge most of the time a good long term bet. 

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Aikidoamigo wrote on Sat Aug 6, 2022 12:14pm:

Exactly, no one knows what really goes on, especially me…

we could talk at length for sure and never totally agree, but this is my last post on the subject. 

I guess what I was wanting to say was, a good way for governments to save energy and stop global warming would be to stop dropping bombs 

One death from conflict is one death too many, I hope we can agree on that much.

… Must burn a lot of energy to sail to the South China Sea 

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The dropping nuclear bombs “all over the place”  is not far from the truth, in fact during an accident in the1970’sby the USAF,. 2 nuclear bombs were dropped in Palmeres in Spain, one in the sea and one on land, luckily none exploded, the one on land took years to clear the land of the radiation and even to this day a huge area is still radiated and a no-go area.

The bomb dropped into the sea was NEVER recovered.

SIMILARLY a training flight in the USA between 2 aircraft, both carrying 2 nuclear bombs came to a false start when THEY CRASHED INTO ONE ANOTHER. And the bombs went down with the aircraft. luckily not exploding but radiating wide areas.

So don’t think things like this do not happen, so far we are told it has happened 6 times already.


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