3mnths or 6mnnths for non residency.?

Thanks Pete, nice to know we,re considerred "aliens" lol, prefer "strangers", so now we need to know who and how to inform when we stay over 3mnths and does that mean every time we stay over 3mnths we have to do this? I always read Jim's posts as I know he,s so knowledgable but kept seeing the amount of 5500€ mentioned and although he has mentioned Spanish tax system is very complicated, couldnt understand how we could end up with a similar tax allowance to the UK.

Thankyou, that I know, but my query is if we,re supposed to inform if we stay longer than 3mnths as Pete said, who do you inform and why, when one only needs to become a resident after 183 days? I also couldnt understand if 5500€ is the Spanish tax allowance compared to UK,s £11,500 why would anyone want to be a resident with such a large differrence.? We are trying to decide whether we would be worse off if we choose to permanently relocate.

I thought I'd posted a reply to this, but obviously not.

There's a difference between having a residencia certificate and being a fiscal resident. You're a fiscal resident if you spend 183 days or more a year in Spain, and are then liable to tax in Spain.

There's a lot more to the allowances system than just the personal allowance. I've spelled it all out here:

https://www.costablancaforum.com/area/la-marina-spain-72/taxes-suma-nie-tax-advice-in-la-marina-25/residents-income-tax-allowances-20054/

Hello Jim

Thankyou for your reply, I either missed it first time of posting or read it but wasnt accepting that we would still consider relocating due to our lost confidence and therefore dismissed it, so I apologise for that and appreciate your taking the time to relay the info. It is very complex and I salute you for wading through the mire! I will have to try and decipher whether we would be better or worse off. People always claim the UK council tax is such a huge saving but it does seem to me that the saving could be easily swallowed up by the outgoings that wouldnt be applicable in the UK anyway. I do my own self assessment here, I definitely wouldnt do it there. 

I do appreciate your involvement

Kind regards

Pauline.

I,m sorry I need to ask this but what do you mean as "earnings related income" as not many over 65s work let alone 70,s so can this be an allowance against a rental income and if 2 landlords and doing taxes individually instead of the joint return, do both get this allowance?Thankyou for all your invaluable information.

Regards

Pauline

Two points to bear in mind.

1) Registering on the list of foreigners is required after you have been in the country after 90 days, or at the beginning of your stay if you know or anticipate being in the country for over 90 days.

2) Neither the above, known as Residency or fiscal residency after 183 days are optional- you do not choose, they are legal requirements.

Thank you Relyat, I am aware of your pointers, my previous post was to Jim after I read his posting again on tax allowances. Do you know what "earning related income"means? As pensioners we dont work but rent out a property so does it mean that, and as we are joint landlords,could we both have that allowance if we did individual tax returns.?

Read this one Pauline:

https://www.costablancaforum.com/area/la-marina-spain-72/taxes-suma-nie-tax-advice-in-la-marina-25/residents-income-tax-how-income-is-categorised-20161/

I am sure that Jim will put me right if I am wrong but I believe that pensions are classed as earnings related income.   One thing to be aware of though, pensions and annuities (some people do think of these as pensions) are taxed differently.