180/90 day visa - Page 2

I think where we are it will only appeal to locals as beautiful as it is but if the price is right we will have to sell to whoever wants it 

Well I didn't vote for brexit 

You could make the same argument in relation to a UK general election, if your party loses so you have to suck up any new rules or laws the winning party decides to enact.

Of course they are, they are the inevitable and direct result of leaving the EU and were known by those who took the time to do the research instead of listening to lying politicians!

That I would argue is not strictly true - as the UK populace didn't know exactly what the UK exit from the EU would look like at the time.

I don't have a particularly strong view on Brexit either way but what I would say is that at the time of the referendum you had a certain Prime Minister and by the time the UK actually left we were 2 (I think) more down the line.

So the Brexit as expected by David Cameron (although I'm not sure he ever really said what that would look like even though he said he would remain in office if he lost ........ and then didn't) as opposed to the Brexit tried by Theresa May and then Boris Johnson were different.

I actually don't think there was that much difference between the 2 (May/Johnson) other than Johnson using it as opportunism to grab leadership of the Conservative Party) but that exit is not necessarily the same thing or the same as any individual who voted either remain or leave expected.

But let's not go back into a Brexit debate on another thread - personally, I think the next step is to see if the French progress anything as has been suggested they might after the initial proposal was struck out by the Constitutional Court. I suspect Spain will follow suit if anything is ultimately achieved  - but I would agree that it needs to apply to all 2nd home owners, not just those in the UK.

Mind you, I'd expect tax levels to be the same irrespective of residency and that is not the case in Spain (as non-residents pay higher tax on property income than residents) but that's a discussion for another day.

Now that is definitely not true. When Cameron was PM (remember him? The Phoenix?) rules were made and he was fully in favour of time limits and introducing documentation similar to the US on those entering the EU.

Then there was Boris. The time limit to spend in the EU was one of the things on the table for negotiations but he thought it wasn't important so it was taken off the table. Apparently he didn't want "petty" things to get in the way of the Withdrawal Agreement. 

Despite the angst and chip on shoulder comments from many, the EU bent over backwards to allow Brits the same benefits they received before. It was just one that UK thought would muddy the waters a bit. 

It also seems to be the way of thinking that this rule is there to punish the Brits and get their own back. The fact that it applies to all EU/EEA states appears to go over peoples' heads. Just the UK press in many cases, I feel. 

Now they want special dispensation despite leaving the EU but you get the impression the EU kicked them out which is something else that is not true.

that is totally the truth... Still; how many years later the populace still do not understand it....

Amazing....

And your point is?

Cheers, J

Hi, my point is, there is no point blaming brexit, its the EU that spat out the dummy and decided to implement the 90/180 day rule and punish Brits for leaving the EU, the ironic part is the EUs tantrum only hurts those that probably voted to stay in the EU, the 90/180 rule does not affect the vast majority of Brits that travel to the EU on holiday.

Cheers, R !!

And there we go again, playing the victim card. The fact this rule applies to all those countries that are not in the EU or EEA but can travel visa free seems to have gone whoosh right over your head. 

The EU bent over backwards to ensure those legally (note the word legally) living in the EU before UK left were granted all the rights they already enjoyed. They made sure each country advertised the procedures, made changing from EU to citizen to non EU citizen extremely easy and made each country submit documentation to show how they were doing it. Even had roadshows (poorly attended) by mayors and even the King and Queen travelled to a few to show how well valued the legal British citizens were in Spain. And ensuring reciprocal tax and health protocols were re done by the individual countries. That Boris didn't want to discuss how the 90/180 rule would affect Brits shows the UK government cared less about its own citizens than the EU did.

A record number of properties were sold to foreigners in the Alicante province last year, the airport has broken records every month this year for arrivals and the hotels on the coast are at their highest level of occupancy for over 6 years so where the other statement about lack of people spending comes from is also ridiculous.

It was well known the rules would change if UK left the EU which they did. That people ignored it and now say stupid things like "and punish Brits for leaving the EU" just shows the incredible level of ignorance some people show. 

FYI, it does not just apply to the Brits regardless of how "speshul" you seem to think you are.