Moving an elderly parent to Spain - Page 2

Sligogent wrote on Fri Mar 1, 2024 4:58pm:

My  late mother  had  Dementia,  due to family issues  it was agreed  to move her to another  Care home, But  conquests  for my mother  were Catastrophic  end up returning  to previous  home,

That was our experience  and been  informed  that moving  a Patient  with Dementia  is unwise, learned at a later date...

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 Take care

Darro wrote on Fri Mar 1, 2024 5:26pm:

You might be able to apply for a Family Reunification Visa for her.

You would need to be legally resident in Spain and not just living here on the strength of an Irish passport.

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https://balcellsgroup.com/residence-visa-for-family-reunification-in-spain/#:~:text=The%20family%20reunification%20or%20family,a%20residence%20and%20work%20permit.

John123456 wrote on Fri Mar 1, 2024 5:47pm:

I have no experience of your circumstances but first of all you would need to check with the Spanish Consulate in the area your mother in law lives in the UK as to the type of visa she will require to join you in Spain. You may find the contents of this link helpful:

https://www.exteriores.gob.es/Consulados/londres/en/ServiciosConsulares/Paginas/Consular/Visado-de-reagrupacion...

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Your mother in law will be able to claim state retirement pension in Spain but any other social security benefits, for example, attendance allowance or DLA etc., are not exportable as your mother in law would not satisfy the conditions of the Withdrawl Agreement between the UK and the EU. She would however be entitled to Spainish healthcare and all you need to do is apply for an S1. The contents of these links may be helpful:

https://www.gov.uk/claim-benefits-abroad/disability-benefits

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/healthcare-in-spain-including-the-balearic-and-canary-islands

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/healthcare-in-spain-including-the-balearic-and-canary-islands#:~:text=You%20may%20be%20entitled%20to%20state%20healthcare%20paid%20for%20by,for%20more%20information%20about%20eligibility.

As for nursing homes and dealing with dementia you might find these links helpful:

https://www.ageinspain.org/dementia

https://euroweeklynews.com/2022/06/30/home-care-in-spain-for-expats/

https://administracion.gob.es/pag_Home/en/Tu-espacio-europeo/derechos-obligaciones/ciudadanos/asistencia-sanitaria/centros-atencion-sociosanitaria.html

Cmshiels76 wrote on Sat Mar 2, 2024 4:56pm:

Can I say, I asked for advice, not an attack. She is my husband's mum and I do NOT know her well. We have worked with the UK system for the past 8 years to the best of our ability. As she owns her own home we make sure her carer's (4 times per day) are paid for, as she qualifies for very little h...

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...elp, and we have no interest in her pension, money etc as implied. We enquired about cost of care here in Spain, so that we would be able to top up her pension until her house can be sold for her care.There is only one sibling living nearby (who is moving abroad). I am perfectly well aware that the ultimate aim would be to keep a person with dementia in familiar surroundings, as I cared for both my grandmother and father, who both had dementia, until they passed. However, thanks to new UK rules and regulations, if we were to try to keep her in her own home, my husband would have to move to the UK without me, as he would need an income/pension of over £28,000 to bring a non-uk national with him. His mum has fallen a number of times, the most recent resulting in a broken ankle, necessitating 3 months hospital n rehab care and was sent home recently, having been deemed by the power that be, as being 'fit'. We are in a catch 22 situation where we want her to be safe and well and happy, yet being unable to be there all the time ourselves and to be accused of not researching all the options, being interested in her money and simply whisking her away to a foreign country, without allowing her to live out her remaining years in 'familiar' pastues, is hurtful, upsetting and unnecessary. We love her and want her to be safe and cared for. So, in future, please do not comment negatively on people when you don't have all the facts!!!!!!! All I wanted was advice from some kind people who might have found themselves in a similar situation not an unnecessary and unhelpful opinion from someone who has nothing positive to say.

Sincerely C.

Cmshiels76 wrote on Sat Mar 2, 2024 5:05pm:

Thank you John for all of those links and the helpful information. It's much appreciated and we will look through them all.

Many thanks 

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Cathy 

Rumpelstiltskin wrote on Sat Mar 2, 2024 5:34pm:

I thankyou for your reply, my reply was not the only one to be to the point. Positive I was. I have many many many many years with family who have had dementia. Here we go. 60 years plus ago we moved elderly family born in the late 1880's into a care home. I paid for everything as once other fami...

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...ly realised they could not obtain monies from said same elderly people they dumped them. Within a 2-3 month period the elderly also loved as in your case sadly passed away. I can only SLIGHTLY relate to a person having dementia as to a person who sadly has Autism in life which again ran in my family. Both symptoms in people are nasty, effected people do not like change in life as it distresses them very much indeed. You also have to take into consideration climate change, Spanish conversation if the person is placed into a home. so many factors, property in the UK sold, you would need to employ an accountant to handle all the money otherwise you would be accused of misuse of any funds when the lady passes away, it would happen. Money is the root of all evil. Fact. The transportation of the person and her belongings. I sat holding both my beloved parents hands years ago when they sadly passed away. Courted and were married combined 71 years. Mother passed then father gave up and passed 2 months later. As I write this years have passed and tears run down my face. I humbly say sorry indeed to you and your husband. I felt I replied to the point and through my relatives passing away, making what I deemed the correct decision I have to live with my mistakes. Go and talk to this Lady, ask her if she would like to live in Spain, I also feel she will have many fond memories of her Husband and your husband as a child that her reply will be no. If you move the Lady to Spain and she is placed in a Home then be prepared she may pass sooner than later pining away. The average care costs in Spain are in the region of 2,500 euros per month. Contact Kim Clark (a man) via [email protected] This person is a specialist in his field, I have never used him however I know of him. I have spoken to Kim many times over the years,  he is decent and sincere, trustworthy. He has helped several people I know over the years. I did have his telephone number but have misplaced it sorry. The email address will go directly to his computer. This is such a personal dilemma you find yourselves in, hence my previous reply. If I owned a magic wand I would wave it for you, I cannot. Talk to the Lady, follow her heart you will then know in your heart the route to take. My Sincere Regards. R. 

Cmshiels76 wrote on Sat Mar 2, 2024 4:56pm:

Can I say, I asked for advice, not an attack. She is my husband's mum and I do NOT know her well. We have worked with the UK system for the past 8 years to the best of our ability. As she owns her own home we make sure her carer's (4 times per day) are paid for, as she qualifies for very little h...

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...elp, and we have no interest in her pension, money etc as implied. We enquired about cost of care here in Spain, so that we would be able to top up her pension until her house can be sold for her care.There is only one sibling living nearby (who is moving abroad). I am perfectly well aware that the ultimate aim would be to keep a person with dementia in familiar surroundings, as I cared for both my grandmother and father, who both had dementia, until they passed. However, thanks to new UK rules and regulations, if we were to try to keep her in her own home, my husband would have to move to the UK without me, as he would need an income/pension of over £28,000 to bring a non-uk national with him. His mum has fallen a number of times, the most recent resulting in a broken ankle, necessitating 3 months hospital n rehab care and was sent home recently, having been deemed by the power that be, as being 'fit'. We are in a catch 22 situation where we want her to be safe and well and happy, yet being unable to be there all the time ourselves and to be accused of not researching all the options, being interested in her money and simply whisking her away to a foreign country, without allowing her to live out her remaining years in 'familiar' pastues, is hurtful, upsetting and unnecessary. We love her and want her to be safe and cared for. So, in future, please do not comment negatively on people when you don't have all the facts!!!!!!! All I wanted was advice from some kind people who might have found themselves in a similar situation not an unnecessary and unhelpful opinion from someone who has nothing positive to say.

Sincerely C.