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TP20

Posted: Fri Mar 4, 2022 1:58pm

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Posted: Fri Mar 4, 2022 1:58pm

LaMataDave wrote on Fri Mar 4, 2022 11:50am:

Exactly. Not to late to begin to reduce our reliance on gas and oil. Just as France has done - many safe nuclear reactors in France. Germany only decided to go nuclear free after Fukushima. A total overreaction on Germany's part. Now they are between a rock and a hard place. They need to reactiva...

...te as many as possible (if mothballed) and as I consider this to be an emergency situation the UK has to open coal fired plants or build some together with wind, solar and the new  micro-reactors offered by Rolls Royce. We have all let our governments feed their greed and personal chummy contracts an d got us all into a blackmail situation with a madman. At least with the old USSR you had the Politburo and their checks and balances. Now we are dealing with a gangster everyone around him is afraid of and who has nothing to lose.

RIP to the people of Ukraine who have passed. No if or buts for these REAL refugees. We all need to find them space. I have an empty flat in Spain - If Spain offers a scheme I will let a family there rent free. There are MANY empty holiday apartments and villas there and I would have no issues with this type of help.

UK is sitting on shale gas, which given the current situation should be being extracted, I'm aware of the pros and cons but these are exceptional times.

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Posted: Fri Mar 4, 2022 2:09pm

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Posted: Fri Mar 4, 2022 2:09pm

Putin is not going to stop this horrific action and the world must now step in and stop him.

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Posted: Sat Mar 5, 2022 11:57am

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Posted: Sat Mar 5, 2022 11:57am

1994 Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances

To solidify security commitments to Ukraine, the United States, Russia, and the United Kingdom signed the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances on December 5, 1994. A political agreement in accordance with the principles of the Helsinki Accords, the memorandum included security assurances against the threat or use of force against Ukraine’s territory or political independence. The countries promised to respect the sovereignty and existing borders of Ukraine. Parallel memorandums were signed for Belarus and Kazakhstan as well. In response, Ukraine officially acceded to the NPT as a non-nuclear weapon state on December 5, 1994. That move met the final condition for ratification of START, and on the same day, the five START states-parties exchanged instruments of ratification, bringing the treaty into force.

2009 Joint Declaration by Russia and the United States

Russia and the United States released a joint statement in 2009 confirming that the security assurances made in the 1994 Budapest Memorandum would still be valid after START expired in 2009.

So based on the above, it seems that Ukraine being non-NATO is irrelevant. The fault is with Russia but it appears the UK and USA have actually just turned their backs.

L181SKY

Posted: Sat Mar 5, 2022 8:58pm

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killjoy wrote on Sat Feb 26, 2022 11:01am:

After Franco passed away, Spain plays a rather second fiddle on the international political gameboard with a total lack of capbilities to solve it's own problems. Abandoning 1975 the inhabitants of the former Sahara territory (who had to get refuge in Algeria (Tinduf) is probably the most shamefu...

...l and unsolved matter. The future of Ceuta an Melilla is also uncertain. Gibraltar is too sensitive as to be discussed here, but also unsolved. With regard to Ucrania Spain has to stay within what the EU decides. 

I think Spain got a foot in the door when Gib joined Shengen 

L181SKY

Posted: Sat Mar 5, 2022 9:01pm

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killjoy wrote on Sat Feb 26, 2022 7:55pm:

According to news agencies the UNRWA is expecting 5 mio. refugees to swap into Western Europe, mainly Germany. A first wave already arrived.

I heard from my family in Poland 700k have already gone there .

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L181SKY

Posted: Sat Mar 5, 2022 9:58pm

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des486 wrote on Wed Mar 2, 2022 8:34pm:

No the answer is not to shoot Putin. ( He would become a hero ) Then the shit would hit the fan for us all.

 The only way this ends peacefully is that the Russian oligarchs and the kremlin turn on him


Who of his “ associates “ would stand up first ? There are 400  assassins looking for the president of Ukraine , installed in Ukraine for weeks. Does no other country have hit men embedded in Russia or have they been kidding us all on for years ?  MI 5 , 6, and the rest , blah blah blah,  The answer is definitely to get rid of him ,he Could have a heart attack.Who cares if he is “hero” he’d be a Dead one.  And millions would be safe

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Posted: Sun Mar 6, 2022 12:44pm

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Posted: Sun Mar 6, 2022 12:44pm

L181SKY wrote on Sat Mar 5, 2022 9:58pm:

Who of his “ associates “ would stand up first ? There are 400  assassins looking for the president of Ukraine , installed in Ukraine for weeks. Does no other country have hit men embedded in Russia or have they been kidding us all on for years ?  MI 5 , 6, and the rest , blah blah ...

...blah,  The answer is definitely to get rid of him ,he Could have a heart attack.Who cares if he is “hero” he’d be a Dead one.  And millions would be safe

I'm sure there's plenty of people would line up to take him out.

But it's the aftermath what would happen (nuclear war billions would die) that would be great for humanity 

Were destroying the world fast enough let us not push it over the edge.

As I said before it's the Russians that will have to stop this.

L181SKY

Posted: Sun Mar 6, 2022 3:48pm

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Posted: Sun Mar 6, 2022 3:48pm

des486 wrote on Sun Mar 6, 2022 12:44pm:

I'm sure there's plenty of people would line up to take him out.

But it's the aftermath what would happen (nuclear war billions would die) that would be great for humanity 

Were destroying the world fast enough let us not push it over the edge.

As I said before it's the Russians that will have to stop this.

Millions would LINE UP to take him out.  I said who,of his comrades would dare to be first to challenge him 🤦🏼‍♀️.   There would be No Aftermath!    He’d be a dead 

L181SKY

Posted: Sun Mar 6, 2022 3:56pm

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Posted: Sun Mar 6, 2022 3:56pm

Upshot is then.   Neuclear weapons are absolutely useless.  They are a deterrent , but not in the way we have all assumed for years, No,  they deter countries from helping others . This is a terrorist country who have no rules, run by a madman, simple , he needs to be taken out. I thought we were paying MI 5, 6 and all the rest to have Spy’s everywhere, so another rip off. One bullet, one head.  Gone.  Millions safe.  It was in the U.K. press this morning he is coming after U.K. next.  He knows the West will do absolutely nothing but Clap for the president of Ukraine.  Anyone else Ashamed ?   

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Posted: Mon Mar 7, 2022 3:22pm

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Posted: Mon Mar 7, 2022 3:22pm

LaMataDave wrote on Fri Mar 4, 2022 3:44am:

News overnight is Europe's largest nuclear reactor in Ukraine is on fire after being shelled by Putin's tanks. I don't think you could get worse than Putin. In fact if this goes into full meltdown it could be 5x Chernobyl and potentially deemed an act of war on NATO. Balloon goes up. There is no ...

...doubt Putin is trying to drag NATO in. Maybe he has cancer or has some other terminal illness and wants to go out in a blaze of fire. This can only explain his brutal madness.

The nuclear station you talk about is the biggest in Europe and is actually about 10x the potential for distrution that Chernobyl had. To be fair to the Russians they did not shell the reactor they shelled a training facility on the site - presumably knowing that protocol would be to safely shut down the reactor which no doubt was their intention- to cut the electricity supply. They are a horrible lot but I don't think they will attack a nuclear reactor as the consequences would be very bad for everyone including themselves.

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