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Saddlepillar

Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:03am

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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:03am

Kelvin1960 wrote on Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:03am:

Cost of selling in the UK.

CGT in the UK.

You understand the rules in the UK.

The UK market is under-supplied. Rental income is firmer.

You probably don't understand the nuances in Spain.

Not all properties in Spain can get a holiday let licence (the market is oversupplied)

Cost of buying in Spain (around 13%).

Income tax in Spain (vs tax allowance in UK).

Poor % returns on rentals (the market is oversupplied with many empty properties)

If you decide to sell in Spain, 7% costs, plus it could take ages, plus tax.

These are good reasons to do your sums and look at the option of leaving your investment asset(s) in the UK. If you simply sell up in the UK, pay CGT in the UK, then pay 13% purchase costs in Spain, you are probably throwing away 20% of your investment pot before you get a single Euro in income. 

Hi Liz

That's Utopia.  It doesn't exist. Ì rented my property here in Spain for years but had terrible trouble. You will meet Brits who have set up their own letting agency. Stay clear of them. No licence, no qualifications, no membership of any body. They only want your money.  I had a brit agent and his wife rented my house and I got no money for over a year.  I came out and confronted the tenant  who said she had no dealings with me , it was with the "agent".  She ordered me off the property.  The Police don't want to know. Some solicitors are dodgy also. Rent to holiday makers and they bring sand in all over the place. 

Go to a proper registered agent who has an office in town and who speaks English. The Brit builders and tradesmen are also out to rob their own. Ì can't advise you. It's too dodgy out here. Everybody is trying to rob you. Rent a place for a couple of months.  Then you need transport !!!.  It's not all sunshine.  Good luck in whatever you do.

I'm retired now and we come out every winter. I'm from Ireland. We spent about 20k renovating the house and don't rent anymore.

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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:21am

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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:21am

Looked at it a few years ago. Decided against.

We have a portfolio of rental properties in the UK, much more stable market, better returns and if the correct properties/area/clients is adhered to you there is no real issues in managing the business. 
That’s just our experience and may not be reflective of everyones circumstances but we’ve successfully rented London/Manchester area based properties for over 30 years.

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Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:40am

Golandrina wrote on Sat Feb 13, 2021 7:19pm:

Depending upon the type of rental that you envisage you may need to have a licence.   I would suggest that you have a look at the Tips and Guides on this site as well as having a look at the Citizens Advice Bureau Spain website.   After the 1st January this year it is not as e...

...asy to move to Spain as it used to be as the UK is now classed as a Third Country due to no longer being in the EU.

Once Spanish resident you must make declaration of all assets which is subject to death duties when you pass.

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aki1066

Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:02pm

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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:02pm

Kelvin1960 wrote on Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:03am:

Cost of selling in the UK.

CGT in the UK.

You understand the rules in the UK.

The UK market is under-supplied. Rental income is firmer.

You probably don't understand the nuances in Spain.

Not all properties in Spain can get a holiday let licence (the market is oversupplied)

Cost of buying in Spain (around 13%).

Income tax in Spain (vs tax allowance in UK).

Poor % returns on rentals (the market is oversupplied with many empty properties)

If you decide to sell in Spain, 7% costs, plus it could take ages, plus tax.

These are good reasons to do your sums and look at the option of leaving your investment asset(s) in the UK. If you simply sell up in the UK, pay CGT in the UK, then pay 13% purchase costs in Spain, you are probably throwing away 20% of your investment pot before you get a single Euro in income. 

Why would they pay CGT in the Uk?

When you sell your main home (or only home) you don't have to pay any CGT.

Aspen1992

Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:21pm

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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:21pm

aki1066 wrote on Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:02pm:

Why would they pay CGT in the Uk?

When you sell your main home (or only home) you don't have to pay any CGT.

Hi aki1066

Because they have rental properties when you sell CGT is payable on the property unless you move into it.

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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:28pm

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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:28pm

If you have a property rented in Ireland it's  considered a business . Ì presume it's the same in the UK.  As for living off the rental income in Spain forget it. If the agent doesn't cheat you then possibly the tenant will. And you can't get them out even if they stop paying rent. The water and electricity companies won't cut off the services. If  they have children worse again.  And the rent you get will just pay your community charges local taxes and other built in charges. It's not all sunshine in Spain. Their taxes are higher. Keep your UK  property.  Put the money in your UK bank and draw it out on your debit card here in Spain.  Also the less they know here in Spain the better. If you have any Irish blood going back 3 generations get an Irish passport then you can come and go when it suits you.

tonyed

Posted: Sun May 22, 2022 3:22pm

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Posted: Sun May 22, 2022 3:22pm

The advice given here has deflated us, it was our intention to do the same and obtain the golden visa  buy our Villa plus 3-5 apartments and live off the rental income plus the rental income of our uk property minus the International school fees until the pensions kick in , seems the dream doesn’t reflect the reality reading some of the responses of people who are much well versed in these matters than mysel

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Posted: Sun May 22, 2022 6:16pm

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Posted: Sun May 22, 2022 6:16pm

tonyed wrote on Sun May 22, 2022 3:22pm:

The advice given here has deflated us, it was our intention to do the same and obtain the golden visa  buy our Villa plus 3-5 apartments and live off the rental income plus the rental income of our uk property minus the International school fees until the pensions kick in , seems the dream d...

...oesn’t reflect the reality reading some of the responses of people who are much well versed in these matters than mysel

I do think those tv shows have a lot to answer for.Some advice I was given many years by an Aussie,Remember boy,you’re going to have to work 10 x harder here because you’re an immigrant......true today as it was then....... and when working or running a business here you really need to speak good Spanish to get the best out of it.

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Posted: Sun May 22, 2022 7:51pm

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Posted: Sun May 22, 2022 7:51pm

tonyed wrote on Sun May 22, 2022 3:22pm:

The advice given here has deflated us, it was our intention to do the same and obtain the golden visa  buy our Villa plus 3-5 apartments and live off the rental income plus the rental income of our uk property minus the International school fees until the pensions kick in , seems the dream d...

...oesn’t reflect the reality reading some of the responses of people who are much well versed in these matters than mysel

There is no reason why your rentals (or other investments) cannot be in the UK. It’s relatively easy to access any part of the UK by the superb air connections if a need arises, and there should be little reason to do so if everything is set up.

As with all of these things the proper advice, both financial and legal is a must, and will assist you in making the right call.

Don’t let it stop your plans, there is always a solution to every hurdle.

Good luck with you’re future plans.

tonyed

Posted: Sun May 22, 2022 8:30pm

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Posted: Sun May 22, 2022 8:30pm

The issue is in order to obtain the golden visa the minimum investment into Spanish property is 500k euros . As far as I am aware that is the only route to gaining residency, obviously if my daughter goes to school in Spain we can’t run the risk of having to leave the country and changing schools again. Things may change with the law possibly but the law is what it is at the mome

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