Is the UK now leading Spain? - Page 3

Lockdowns happened to slow down the spread of the virus, to buy time to better understand the virus and to try to avoid health services from getting overloaded. I don't think any country ever expected to eradicate the virus by locking down. 

Some countries didn't feel the need to lockdown and in many cases have no greater or less infection/death rates than those that locked down tight.

It's too early really to summarise, but the evidence is pointing towards a lockdown being unnecessary in many instances, with the conclusion being reached that "new-normal" measures would have had much the same effect and allowed economies to limp on, no grind to a halt. But things could have easily gone the other way. 

Good morning Busotbound,

You say "Some countries didn't feel the need to lockdown and in many cases have no greater or less infection/death rates than those that locked down tight."  What do you base this on?

Most seem to base this on Sweden, but reports, including from Sweden itself, are now questions the success of this strategy (see the one from the BMJ below). It now stacks up against the worse in Europe (UK), who locked down late as you point out.

https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m2376

Paul

Oh here we go - "Why won't the idiot listen to our valuable and always right opinions"

Surely everything you've been saying points to the fact that without lockdown hundreds of thousands more would have contracted the virus and thousands more would have died as a result? As others have pointed out to you the lockdowns were not to eradicate the virus per se, they were designed to minimise the impact, which they did.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, that's what forums are for.

What they're not for (and this one is particularly bad for it) is for spiteful comments from know-it-all smart arses that don't contribute in the slightest to the discussion.

Right I'm off

I'm not sure if you're referring to me but I certainly don't see anything in my post that was "smart arse".

You argued consistently that lockdown was questionable - I think that's a fair assessment - I simply pointed out that without lockdowns whether in Spain or in the UK it's likely that millions more would have been infected and consequently thousands more would have died. QED lockdown, whether strict or not saved thousands of lives.

It's the first duty of governments to protect their populations and both governments did that, albeit UK a week or two late (Cheltenham/Atletico Madrid/Rugby)

Steve

No not at all, I originally quoted the post I was referring to:

"Ray, Ever feel like your banging your head on a brick wall trying to explain things three times!!!!!"

In England a lot of covid  is being spread by agency and immigrant workers , as one factory shuts the workers move to the next factory  , so the covid moves with them , 

What works is keep your distance,  wash yours hands use sanitizer and drink john Smith's. 

I have not read anywhere that agency and immigrant workers are spreading covid19 by moving from factory to factory, is that just your opinion or have you an article that you can post that confirms your statement?

Aitch.

We deliver to these factorys and watch and speak to the workers , so it was quite predictable that Melton Mowbray and Newark would get outbreaks once Leicester had it ,  it's time to get rid off zero hours contracts and agency workers and go back to proper contracts of employment. 

Bring in air bridges to costa Blanca, caneries, and the balearics plus haven a covid test when you fly in.