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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 5:19pm
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Kazza18

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Hola

Been so worried about the new legislation re our pets (especially parrots) coming into force next month, struggling to understand what exactly I’m supposed to do. I have an African grey, I’m terrified I am supposed to just hand him over to someone - the prospect of abandoning him to strangers makes me feel physically sick. I’ve tried so hard to find anything up to date on line that makes sense. Can anyone help put my fears at rest (or give me a heads up to run for the hills with him)?

Many thanks 

John123456

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 7:59pm

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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 7:59pm

You might find the contents of this link interesting and I will quote this from it:

"my 84-year-old mother-in-law has an African grey parrot born on our premises 22 years ago. It’s her pet. From one day to the next, this animal, which we regard as a member of the family, will become illegal and the administration will be able to confiscate it. The same thing will happen in hundreds of thousands of Spanish homes. Do they consider it normal?"

https://www.psittacus.com/en/complaints/2022/08/08/exotic-pets-illegalized-in-spain

RonTT

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 8:43pm

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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 8:43pm

John123456 wrote on Mon Aug 28, 2023 7:59pm:

You might find the contents of this link interesting and I will quote this from it:

"my 84-year-old mother-in-law has an African grey parrot born on our premises 22 years ago. It’s her pet. From one day to the next, this animal, which we regard as a member of the family, will become illegal and the administration will be able to confiscate it. The same thing will happen in hun...

...dreds of thousands of Spanish homes. Do they consider it normal?"

https://www.psittacus.com/en/complaints/2022/08/08/exotic-pets-illegalized-in-spain

If the Euroweeklynews article / link below is correct its not just exotic species, its rabbits, guinea pigs, hamsters, budgies etc etc as well, once again an over reaching law by incompetant officials.

https://euroweeklynews.com/2023/08/28/spain-enforces-new-restrictions-on-home-pets-from-september/

Kazza18

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 9:22pm

Kazza18

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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 9:22pm

John123456 wrote on Mon Aug 28, 2023 7:59pm:

You might find the contents of this link interesting and I will quote this from it:

"my 84-year-old mother-in-law has an African grey parrot born on our premises 22 years ago. It’s her pet. From one day to the next, this animal, which we regard as a member of the family, will become illegal and the administration will be able to confiscate it. The same thing will happen in hun...

...dreds of thousands of Spanish homes. Do they consider it normal?"

https://www.psittacus.com/en/complaints/2022/08/08/exotic-pets-illegalized-in-spain

Our peanut was born in captivity & would not cope in the wild. He calls us mummy & daddy. He is our world & us his. We’ve built him a special peanut palace & he chats all day with us. We would leave Spain with him rather than give him, from his safe loving home to an over capacity refuge (where he could be bullied or killed by other parrots) that is also underfunded (poor diet).

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BeniSnowbird

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 10:51pm

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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 10:51pm

It would fit the authorities better to imprison the owners who allow their dogs to bark all night with absolutely no control over them…. I find this one of the most infuriating aspects of life in Spain, it’s ridiculous.

Kimmy11

Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2023 2:33pm

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Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2023 2:33pm

RonTT wrote on Mon Aug 28, 2023 8:43pm:

If the Euroweeklynews article / link below is correct its not just exotic species, its rabbits, guinea pigs, hamsters, budgies etc etc as well, once again an over reaching law by incompetant officials.

https://euroweeklynews.com/2023/08/28/spain-enforces-new-restrictions-on-home-pets-from-september/

Hi Ron, 

Yep, the same law-makers who allowed the Spanish hunting industry to influence the exclusion of dog breeds from the protection of these new, so-called "Animal Welfare" regulations - not to mention the animals being hunted.  We're not allowed to keep and care for domestic bunnies, but hunters can chase them with guns and dogs!

Hi Kazza,

I wouldn't usually encourage people to break the law, but I do wonder how the police would know that you're keeping a restricted breed?  Currently, we have two homing pigeons nesting in our garden - a paloma with the white ribbon tied into her tail feathers and a colourfully painted male.  I've been expecting for over a month now an owners' club to climb our garden walls to retrieve them, but nothing.  Both birds are tagged and our local police have said on two separate visits that they would report it to Seprona, but no-one has called.  And despite the first stage of the new laws instituted last year, I can walk 5 minutes from my house and still see several dogs chained up in properties that are not permanently occupied, so the police certainly don't appear to be proactively enforcing these laws.

This piece from Citizens' Advice Spain, specifically with reference to Article 24, General obligations regarding companion and wild animals in captivity, does not appear to suggest that wild animals kept in captivity will automatically have to be handed over to authorities, unless they are being kept in conditions that fail to comply with the new law:

https://www.citizensadvice.org.es/new-law-on-animal-welfare/

And reading the following article, I was struck by the bullet point stating, "Identification of pets within 3 months of the animal's birth or 30 days from the date of purchase, the animal must be registered in the municipal census and identified with a microchip by a veterinarian".  As the ownership of your parrot pre-dates the new law, I think there's an argument to say you wouldn't be able to comply with this particular requirement - well, that's the position I'd take.

https://odiceabogados.com/en/key-animal-welfare-laws-2023/

I'm sure the new law is intended to protect animals against unscrupulous breeders and owners, but has managed to bring all conscientious and caring pet owners into scope.  If you can prove that the animal was bred in captivity and is clearly healthy and well looked after, I can't see how removing it is in the best interests of the animal.  Do you have a trusted vet you could ask?  If not, I think I'd let sleeping dogs - sorry, parrots - lie.

Kind regards,

Kim

John123456

Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2023 4:11pm

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Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2023 4:11pm

You might also find the contents of this link helpful from Citizens Advice Spain:

https://www.citizensadvice.org.es/new-law-on-animal-welfare/

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