What is booster Covid injection is more than 270 days. Is my full UK vaccination certificate OK for entry to Spain - Page 3

Hi Cisco54,

So if they make it obtuse to find, but you believe you've already found the information that proves your point, why not share it?  In the meantime, you may find this global tracker useful and more accurate than trying to interpret obtuse data:

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/

For UK specific data, the Office of National Statistics is an independent source, but as you cite it as one of the sources which is obtuse, please let me know which of their data you're referring to:

https://blog.ons.gov.uk/2021/10/04/how-many-people-have-died-as-a-result-of-a-covid-19-vaccine/

I'd be very surprised if anyone believed that, "the vaccines don't prevent covid nor do they stop you spreading covid" because we've always known that these vaccinations are not 100% effective.  As the original Covid-19 virus has mutated into more virulent forms, such as Delta and most recently, Omicron, scientists have been working to adapt existing vaccines to protect us from these "breakthrough" variants.  The primary purpose of Covid vaccines is to prevent severe infection, hospitalisation and death (which also protects our national health services), but the vaccines also reduce the likelihood of people contracting and therefore spreading the virus.  Whilst some people may believe those who choose to take the risk of not being vaccinated are putting others at risk, I'm not aware of any laws that mandate it.  However, I do believe that if anyone is going to state personal opinion as fact, it should be backed up by independent and verified scientific data.

Kind regards,

Kim

Hi Kim,  If you find the YouTube link I posted about moderna and look at the comments, you will find what people outside of the BBC/sky etc etc type media really think about vaccines. A danish minister for health said that in Denmark only children over the age of 18 would be given the vaccine.

Too many people people around the world believe what the box on the walls are telling them, it's a bit like when 80% of British people believed the media lies that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, so that UK and USA could kill millions of innocents and steal their  oil and their gold because Saddam was refusing to deal oil with American dollars.

Here is a link dated march 2022 only showing 2 vaccs and a booster, it doesn't show the 4th booster probably because I think the take up will be low

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/15B3A/production/_123509888_optimised-vaccine_doses_region4mar-nc.png.webp

I've read somewhere that over 30% of brits haven't received both jabs and a booster. And far too many of those worked in the health system, I wonder why.

Hi Cisco54,

I'm afraid that I can't see anywhere in this thread where you've posted a link to a YouTube video about Moderna.

No source for your comment, "A danish minister for health said that in Denmark only children over the age of 18 would be given the vaccine", but in any event, the Danish Medicines Agency states that the Covid vaccine was first rolled out to children age 12 to 15 in July 2021:

https://laegemiddelstyrelsen.dk/en/news/themes/questions-and-answers-on-vaccines-for-children/

You refer to "people outside of the BBC/sky etc etc type media really think about vaccines", but then, to 'prove' that vaccination rates are tailing off, you provide a link to a chart published by the BBC, based on data from the UK government.  Nevertheless, if you look at that chart, you'll see that the regional vaccination rates across England are very similar for Dose 1 and Dose 2.  I would expect the Booster rates to be lower because they started to administer them later.  Also, if you look at the "Note" at the foot of the chart, it states, "Not all those over 12 are eligible for all doses", so the lower take-up rate of the booster compared to the first 2 doses can, at least in part, be attributed to a smaller percentage of the population being eligible for it.  Regarding the 4th vaccine (2nd booster) it's not included because the chart is based on data up to "3 March" (2022?) and the UK government didn't publish their 2nd booster programme, scheduled for rollout in autumn 2022, until last month.

Regarding unvaccinated NHS staff, a FactCheck by Channel 4 shows that, as of January 2022, just over 52,000 (3.5%) of all NHS staff who work with patients had not had a vaccination and are not thought to have a medical exemption:

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-tens-of-thousands-of-nhs-england-staff-face-dismissal-over-compulsory-vaccines

A study published in May 2021 by the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine showed that one of the primary reasons for NHS staff refusing the vaccination was because of the Government's attempt to legally mandate it for those working directly with patients, when it wasn't mandated for the wider population.

I know that, because of the 3 members of your extended family who believe they had adverse reactions to the vaccine, I won't persuade you that the Covid vaccination has not proven dangerous to the vast majority of the almost 5 billion people worldwide who have been fully vaccinated, but I hope that you'll understand the need for accurate, verified sources.

Kind regards,

Kim

Kimmy , good luck to you, keep taking the vaccines if you still think they are safe, it's everyone's right.

Like many I've had all three Covid vaccinations and after each one had the "achy" arm and minor bruising for a few days just like I do when I get the annual flu jab and just like I did after being mandatorily vaccinated against Hepatitis A&B / Tetanus / Diptheria / Typhoid / Malaria / Yellow Fever and Rabies for travelling a bit further than Alicante.

I get the fact that's being vaccinated is a personal choice but when I hear of people who have suffered "catastrophic side effects" it just makes me wonder if they have actual medical evidence to back up their statement ?

And to those who refuse to be vaccinated based solely on something you have read on social media or in the gutter press which lacks any kind of medical substance then you should remind yourself how selfish you really are.

Just saying !

Yes this is acceptable. They hardly even ask to see your certificate on arrival 

Choosing not to have the vaccine does not make a person selfish! It's purely fear a n d looking v after your own v well being think n it's called survival. 

Hi Gary,

It's a bit rich calling people selfish.

It is a human right to choose what we do with our bodies, which was a right fought for by generations of your and my family.

Heaven forbid if people gave this right of freedom away. Governments could concoct what ever story they wanted to force us to take this pill or that vaccine

People like you would abuse our  right to put into our bodies what we want. It was a human violation of governments to force people to take the vaccines or lose their jobs. Lots of nurses held fast and in the end the government had to back down, they were the true heroes of the pandemic. Unfortunately many took the vaccine against their will and hopefully, not much chance, the government, particularly the knobhead Handcock will be tried in a court of law.

ps, I can assure you and all the other detractors that my daughters ill health isn't made up, she was fit and healthy and two weeks after her second shot she had a lower lung infection and has had 3 lots of antibiotics and is still not right after more than a year. She was a runner and swimmer.

Cisco54

Good, I'm glad you have taken offence, that kind of response is generally indicative of someone who doesn't really believe in what they said in the first place and/or have no "violable" evidence to back it up.

Anyway, In your message to Kim on the 27 August you referenced something you had seen on "YouTube" which seemed relevant to your belief at that time and yet subsequently you tell us that "Too many people people around the world believe what the box on the walls are telling them"  

Isn't YouTube just another version of a box on the wall or perhaps I'm missing something.... my bad.

For anyone who is interested in reviewing the UK's Covid Yellow Card reporting, here's the link:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting

I would draw attention to an important paragraph in the opening summary:

"Part of our monitoring role includes reviewing reports of suspected side effects. Any member of the public or health professional can submit suspected side effects through the Yellow Card scheme.  The nature of Yellow Card reporting means that reported events are not always proven side effects. Some events may have happened anyway, regardless of vaccination. This is particularly the case when millions of people are vaccinated, and especially when vaccines are being given to the most elderly people and people who have underlying illness."

Kind regards,

Kim