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Wriggs69

Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2023 7:16pm

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Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2023 7:16pm

Bee2 wrote on Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:14pm:

Davebev1 you were the person who told us in Spanish tax law you were required to report "all " gifts to the taxman and you were the person who said if you took any donation or gift for the use of your apartment/villa it was considered commercial letting.  That is not correct in Spanish tax l...

...aw.The taxman didn't make any distinctions as to what your family or friends  could give you a donation, gift or loan for up to €6000. The orignal poster nor subsequent posters never had your interpretation of "letting". The post asked  "was it ok to let family and friends use your apartment" as subsequent posts made clear. There was never a question of renting it out as a commercial let to all and sundry and that has been my interpretation of it and my argument that a gift of whatever for using your apartment is not illegal nor does it make you a commercial landlord as you continue to insist. So I stand by what the taxman says about donations, gifts and loans from family and friends as it applies to the original poster and as it applies to family and friends using your holiday home and offering whatever as a thank you . That is not commercial letting and nor  is the taxman interested in these gifts or donations up to €6000.  I rest my case. I won't be adding any more to this topic.

Bee

😯 this is ridiculous and going to far imo 

Magicden

Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2023 7:23pm

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Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2023 7:23pm

Bee2 wrote on Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:14pm:

Davebev1 you were the person who told us in Spanish tax law you were required to report "all " gifts to the taxman and you were the person who said if you took any donation or gift for the use of your apartment/villa it was considered commercial letting.  That is not correct in Spanish tax l...

...aw.The taxman didn't make any distinctions as to what your family or friends  could give you a donation, gift or loan for up to €6000. The orignal poster nor subsequent posters never had your interpretation of "letting". The post asked  "was it ok to let family and friends use your apartment" as subsequent posts made clear. There was never a question of renting it out as a commercial let to all and sundry and that has been my interpretation of it and my argument that a gift of whatever for using your apartment is not illegal nor does it make you a commercial landlord as you continue to insist. So I stand by what the taxman says about donations, gifts and loans from family and friends as it applies to the original poster and as it applies to family and friends using your holiday home and offering whatever as a thank you . That is not commercial letting and nor  is the taxman interested in these gifts or donations up to €6000.  I rest my case. I won't be adding any more to this topic.

Bee

Yes as you understood it was not about letting but but allowing friends family to use it occasionally for free. Thanks. 

Den. 

Wriggs69

Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2023 7:33pm

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Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2023 7:33pm

Magicden wrote on Sat Apr 15, 2023 7:23pm:

Yes as you understood it was not about letting but but allowing friends family to use it occasionally for free. Thanks. 

Den. 

Your welcome, as I said just  my opinion. 

Davebev1

Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2023 9:09pm

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Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2023 9:09pm

Bee2 wrote on Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:14pm:

Davebev1 you were the person who told us in Spanish tax law you were required to report "all " gifts to the taxman and you were the person who said if you took any donation or gift for the use of your apartment/villa it was considered commercial letting.  That is not correct in Spanish tax l...

...aw.The taxman didn't make any distinctions as to what your family or friends  could give you a donation, gift or loan for up to €6000. The orignal poster nor subsequent posters never had your interpretation of "letting". The post asked  "was it ok to let family and friends use your apartment" as subsequent posts made clear. There was never a question of renting it out as a commercial let to all and sundry and that has been my interpretation of it and my argument that a gift of whatever for using your apartment is not illegal nor does it make you a commercial landlord as you continue to insist. So I stand by what the taxman says about donations, gifts and loans from family and friends as it applies to the original poster and as it applies to family and friends using your holiday home and offering whatever as a thank you . That is not commercial letting and nor  is the taxman interested in these gifts or donations up to €6000.  I rest my case. I won't be adding any more to this topic.

Bee

The person who first posted has made it clear he is happy with the regulations and understands them and is not taking payment. Letting and using for free are two different things. 

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Wriggs69

Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2023 11:19pm

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Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2023 11:19pm

Davebev1 wrote on Sat Apr 15, 2023 9:09pm:

The person who first posted has made it clear he is happy with the regulations and understands them and is not taking payment. Letting and using for free are two different things. 

This is when I turn off my email notifications for this subject. 

TonySmith

Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2023 9:50pm

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Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2023 9:50pm

Bee2 wrote on Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:14pm:

Davebev1 you were the person who told us in Spanish tax law you were required to report "all " gifts to the taxman and you were the person who said if you took any donation or gift for the use of your apartment/villa it was considered commercial letting.  That is not correct in Spanish tax l...

...aw.The taxman didn't make any distinctions as to what your family or friends  could give you a donation, gift or loan for up to €6000. The orignal poster nor subsequent posters never had your interpretation of "letting". The post asked  "was it ok to let family and friends use your apartment" as subsequent posts made clear. There was never a question of renting it out as a commercial let to all and sundry and that has been my interpretation of it and my argument that a gift of whatever for using your apartment is not illegal nor does it make you a commercial landlord as you continue to insist. So I stand by what the taxman says about donations, gifts and loans from family and friends as it applies to the original poster and as it applies to family and friends using your holiday home and offering whatever as a thank you . That is not commercial letting and nor  is the taxman interested in these gifts or donations up to €6000.  I rest my case. I won't be adding any more to this topic.

Bee

Totally wrong. Just because, at the moment, the BIZUM app must only report transactions (combined and over the year) of €6000, does not mean that it is legal to not declare, in your tax, any money lower than this, that you receive, from whatever source.

As an example, see US this year, where reportable income from EBAY, PAYPAL, VENMO etc has been reduced, for taxable purposes from $20,000 to $600

The push for Digital Currency over cash is to reduce the ability of anyone to be able to get "mates rates" or "wink wink nudge" payments and to tax everything.

Even at the moment, if you are caught in Spain doing anything illegal, the fines are huge, for example if you are caught renting an apartment that has no touristic licence, you will be fined almost as much as the person who rented it out illegally .

Your push to legitimise illegal activity helps none, to the contrary, it threatens to make criminals out of them

Davebev1

Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2023 10:27pm

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Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2023 10:27pm

Bee2 wrote on Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:14pm:

Davebev1 you were the person who told us in Spanish tax law you were required to report "all " gifts to the taxman and you were the person who said if you took any donation or gift for the use of your apartment/villa it was considered commercial letting.  That is not correct in Spanish tax l...

...aw.The taxman didn't make any distinctions as to what your family or friends  could give you a donation, gift or loan for up to €6000. The orignal poster nor subsequent posters never had your interpretation of "letting". The post asked  "was it ok to let family and friends use your apartment" as subsequent posts made clear. There was never a question of renting it out as a commercial let to all and sundry and that has been my interpretation of it and my argument that a gift of whatever for using your apartment is not illegal nor does it make you a commercial landlord as you continue to insist. So I stand by what the taxman says about donations, gifts and loans from family and friends as it applies to the original poster and as it applies to family and friends using your holiday home and offering whatever as a thank you . That is not commercial letting and nor  is the taxman interested in these gifts or donations up to €6000.  I rest my case. I won't be adding any more to this topic.

Bee

Stop quoting me as saying something I did not say. A payment made in exchange for use of a property is not a gift, it is a payment. Like I said, why have a ho at me, I don't make the laws, the question has been answered and the OP is happy with the answer. Goodbye.

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