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George55 wrote on Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:53pm:

This is not what Bloomberg are reporting. The consensus seems to be a 5% growth in the UK economy in 2021:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-24/u-k-economy-still-faces-trade-pain-after-dodging-no-deal-brexit

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While it might be lower than having stayed in the EU (which has been said by economists consistently over the last 4 years!), it's not a "shrink" which is what you stated.

dinnerout wrote on Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:45pm:

Part of what I meant in that post was that Leaver triumphalism only fires up those in the Remain camp that lost.

I also think it's really so very disappointing to see that even after we have left the EU there seem to be so many Leave voters who wish to see it collapse. I mean, wasn't winning enough? Wishing to see the EU collapse almost seems to confirm to Remain voters that some Leave voters did so with xe...

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...nophobia as a motivation in their vote.

What I meant by watch and wait was that while Remainers lost the vote it doesn't mean we have to accept it was the right decision, rather we have to watch and wait to see if any of the perceived advantages outweigh any negatives that appear.

I'm certainly prepared to do that. 

As a ps to Grannyrose I would say this - a strong pound may give us advantages but it would be of little satisfaction to those struggling with low incomes or unemployment. It's certainly not going to be a major measurement of whether leaving has been a success.

The financial forecasters at the Bank of England have estimated that a no deal would see the UK GDP shrink* by around 6% next year, but with the deal now in place this shrinks slightly to around 4%. This was on the back of an 11% drop in GDP caused by the Covid pandemic. So we have a lot of work to do.

My message would be to ask for less triumphalism by Leavers and a bit more wait and see by Remainers. Time will tell whether it has been the right decision. 

In the meantime, be polite to each other and Happy New Year to all.

Steve

* this should have said grow, not shrink. Mistake correctly pointed out in the reply below.

Boandtia wrote on Sun Jan 3, 2021 5:58pm:

Why is such an insulting remark as  "Brexit was voted for by those who are intellectually challenged." allowed on the forum.  I take serious exception to this.   The last time I looked Great Britain was a free country where people are allowed to express their opinion at the ba...

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...llot box and the result of the majority vote accepted.   Just because other people have different opinions to the poster does not make them intellectually challenged.

Britain may fare very well without the restrictive rules of the European Union or it may not.  To leave was the the majority of voters choice.

As a matter of interest, I was not allowed a vote because I have lived in Spain more than 15 years, I thought that was very unfair  but those are the rules.

Boandtia wrote on Sun Jan 3, 2021 5:58pm:

Why is such an insulting remark as  "Brexit was voted for by those who are intellectually challenged." allowed on the forum.  I take serious exception to this.   The last time I looked Great Britain was a free country where people are allowed to express their opinion at the ba...

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...llot box and the result of the majority vote accepted.   Just because other people have different opinions to the poster does not make them intellectually challenged.

Britain may fare very well without the restrictive rules of the European Union or it may not.  To leave was the the majority of voters choice.

As a matter of interest, I was not allowed a vote because I have lived in Spain more than 15 years, I thought that was very unfair  but those are the rules.

dinnerout wrote on Sun Jan 3, 2021 6:38pm:

I suspect the reason that Alex has allowed the comment to remain is that it's not a personal insult or directly abusive.

Upsetting to some in its candour no doubt but it's an opinion about a group of people not an individual.

Gemily1 wrote on Sun Jan 3, 2021 7:34pm:

I found that remark “those who are intellectually challenged” as an insult. As I voted Brexit that includes myself as being one of the group, in fact by insinuating that all People who voted Brexit were intellectually challenged he has in fact insulted 17.4 million people. I don’t think you...

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... can insult a group of people without insulting them as individuals. 
I’m sure if Comares had made this comment about people of colour, religion, or minorities then there would certainly be a talking point about racism, luckily those who voted Brexit were a majority so maybe as it’s done we should try and get on with our lives and concentrate on the future and leave the insults behind.

Be Happy and keep safe.