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Posted: Sat Jun 6, 2020 1:33pm

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Hi Ray, you appear to believe that people complaining about Dominic Cummings actions are just because of Brexit? But that ignores peoples sense of fair play and key facts about DC's journey to Durham.

For example, unlike the vast majority of people in this country, DC was directly involved in the SAGE meetings and in setting the government guidance. He therefore had a far better understanding of the risks involved and the need to abide by the guidance. Other people who had less influence/insight but were involved in the process, such as Scotland's Chief Medical Officer, resigned having broken the rules because they knew their actions would influence others. This is in part why so many more people are ignoring the guidance since DC's journey became public knowledge.

Secondly, both DC and his wife were infected with Covid-19 when they undertook the journey to Durham, and when he drove his wife & son to hospital whilst there. The risk of him spreading the virus was therefore significantly greater than those who have visited parks/beaches and failed to observe social distancing.

Thirdly, whilst most people will sympathise with DC "doing the best for his family", they will struggle to understand why, with relatives living a few mile's away he chose to undertake a 260 mile journey. No parent concerned about the potentially urgent need to secure child care in the event of impending illness would choose a 5hr journey over a 5min one.

Lastly, and perhaps most significantly, is that fact the public don't like being lied to. Many people who had read his wife's account of their illness in the Spector and then listened to DC's very carefully crafted public response, could see their accounts were not consistent; so someone isn't being entirely truthful. Why, I don't know, but tests the reason I believe there is more to this story than has do far emerged. Whether ir not it does emerge remains to be seen.

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Posted: Sat Jun 6, 2020 1:48pm

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Posted: Sat Jun 6, 2020 1:48pm

Cookep1 wrote on Sat Jun 6, 2020 1:33pm:

Hi Ray, you appear to believe that people complaining about Dominic Cummings actions are just because of Brexit? But that ignores peoples sense of fair play and key facts about DC's journey to Durham.

For example, unlike the vast majority of people in this country, DC was directly involved in the SAGE meetings and in setting the government guidance. He therefore had a far better understanding of the risks involved and the need to abide by the guidance. Other people who had less influence/insig...

...ht but were involved in the process, such as Scotland's Chief Medical Officer, resigned having broken the rules because they knew their actions would influence others. This is in part why so many more people are ignoring the guidance since DC's journey became public knowledge.

Secondly, both DC and his wife were infected with Covid-19 when they undertook the journey to Durham, and when he drove his wife & son to hospital whilst there. The risk of him spreading the virus was therefore significantly greater than those who have visited parks/beaches and failed to observe social distancing.

Thirdly, whilst most people will sympathise with DC "doing the best for his family", they will struggle to understand why, with relatives living a few mile's away he chose to undertake a 260 mile journey. No parent concerned about the potentially urgent need to secure child care in the event of impending illness would choose a 5hr journey over a 5min one.

Lastly, and perhaps most significantly, is that fact the public don't like being lied to. Many people who had read his wife's account of their illness in the Spector and then listened to DC's very carefully crafted public response, could see their accounts were not consistent; so someone isn't being entirely truthful. Why, I don't know, but tests the reason I believe there is more to this story than has do far emerged. Whether ir not it does emerge remains to be seen.

Still believe it’s a vendetta.disagree he was more of a danger to people than those in the Parks and beaches.every single person on the planet unless they have been tested is a possible carrier so being a betting man more people passed on the virus to others than he did.

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Posted: Sat Jun 6, 2020 2:33pm

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Posted: Sat Jun 6, 2020 2:33pm

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He did. You did not.

Whatever, have a good weekend.

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Posted: Sat Jun 6, 2020 3:27pm

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Posted: Sat Jun 6, 2020 3:27pm

Purple gran wrote on Sat Jun 6, 2020 1:15pm:

Maybe, Ray, there is little point in my response, as you’ve stated we shall not convince you. It matters little to the British what the Irish or any other nation do in this situation.  What does matter is what the British government and it’s advisors are seen to be doing.  I reitera...

...te, an honourable man would resign. We can, therefore, draw our own conclusions.

It always worth replying, even if someone is unwilling to listen to anyone else, since perhaps others will benefit. I appreciate your response- this individual did actual damage to the government’s message and to the PMs credibility- there is an actual danger that this will translate into more people shunning advice and as a result more people die.

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Posted: Sat Jun 6, 2020 3:35pm

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Posted: Sat Jun 6, 2020 3:35pm

So the thousands that are demonstrating to day London Birmingham Etc would have stayed indoors if DC had not gone for a ride in his car. I don’t think so.

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Posted: Sat Jun 6, 2020 3:36pm

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Posted: Sat Jun 6, 2020 3:36pm

BeniSnowbird wrote on Wed Jun 3, 2020 10:21pm:

You’ll generally find that it’s the folk who cannot accept a referendum result, a council election result, a landslide general election result and then to top it off they keep harping on like spoiled children and explore every avenue they find to whinge a little bit more about the party in po...

...wer and moan more about the way the ballots went against their wishes. Waken up, it’s called democracy.
The UK would really be up shit creek without a paddle if the Corbyn circus were in power, thankfully they got decimated at the polls and sent home to lick their wounds. Sad folk really, pity they have little else to do when the country and indeed the world is in this pandemic state. Brownie and political point scoring at its worst.

Don’t necessarily disagree with your Corbin point but we have the second worst death rate in the whole world next to Belgium - seems to me we already are up the creek due to awful preparation and management.

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Posted: Sat Jun 6, 2020 3:48pm

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Posted: Sat Jun 6, 2020 3:48pm

Ray wrote on Sat Jun 6, 2020 3:35pm:

So the thousands that are demonstrating to day London Birmingham Etc would have stayed indoors if DC had not gone for a ride in his car. I don’t think so.

Probably some would have - my police friends tell me that when they stop people they are saying if it is good enough for Dom Cummings then it is good enough for me - there was definately an effect on the credibility of the message (ask any policemen) and the PM and as a result people will suffer. I don't know Mr C neither did I know the Scottish Health Advisor but I know which one did the right thing to preserve life and the NHS.

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Ray wrote on Sat Jun 6, 2020 1:48pm:

Still believe it’s a vendetta.disagree he was more of a danger to people than those in the Parks and beaches.every single person on the planet unless they have been tested is a possible carrier so being a betting man more people passed on the virus to others than he did.

Hi Ray, you are of course entitled to your opinion. However suggesting someone who is symptomatic with Covid-19 is no more a danger than someone who isn't misses the point entirely. 

Dominic Cummings whole argument for going to Durham was that he was symptomatic with Covid-19 and as such he deliberately & knowingly put others at risk. It is this deliberate disregard for the safety of others that makes his action so much more serious than others.

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Posted: Sat Jun 6, 2020 3:49pm

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Posted: Sat Jun 6, 2020 3:49pm

Management ? A circus full of clowns more like.

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Posted: Sat Jun 6, 2020 3:59pm

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Posted: Sat Jun 6, 2020 3:59pm

Dagurney Actually my son is a Detective Inspector his worries and those of his fellow officers is not the virus it’s the possibility of looting taking place.

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