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tvtechnology

Posted: Wed May 8, 2019 11:43am

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Posted: Wed May 8, 2019 11:43am

Above - I do know of quite a few people who live here without residency / NIE. One lady I know 15 years she has been here. We said to her SORT YOUR PAPERWORK OUT before Brexit - it is inexcusable to live in a country that long and not declare you are living there. Asking for trouble.

This also is not good for the area you live, as the REGISTERED population figures affect the local funding for the respective town/village - so if half the people are not registered, then the town (where said individuals may live) will suffer accordingly by not getting the money or only getting the money related to the number of registered individuals. There is no excuse to not register if you are living in Spain or have been for some time - ultimately it will affect the community you live in.

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Posted: Wed May 8, 2019 11:44am

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Posted: Wed May 8, 2019 11:44am

Good, the brits under the radar should have no protection, no rights etc etc, they should be deported, however we are talking about the few and NOT the many many more who abide by the rules ... the same goes for the so called foreigners who fly under the radar in Britain who still manage to abuse the nhs and our system in general,

Brexit would probably never had happened if this had been cured years ago

No offend 

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Posted: Wed May 8, 2019 11:46am

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Posted: Wed May 8, 2019 11:46am

15 years! The lady is an idiot and should be repore

tvtechnology

Posted: Wed May 8, 2019 11:49am

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Posted: Wed May 8, 2019 11:49am

What I find funny, is many expats I speak to here, who voted Brexit and are (though at pain to admit it) anti-immigration. 

At which point I say, 'you voted Brexit, yet you live in Spain'? - immigrant or expat, choose your words wisely ;-)

So they chastise immigrants and people not 'doing things the right way' - then sit in Spain, not declaring they are living there and no mention of assets abroad. Those days seemingly are over - it's just I suspect as usual, will take a while for everything to 'filter through'.

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Bles

Posted: Wed May 8, 2019 11:50am

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Posted: Wed May 8, 2019 11:50am

Ray your right, I know nothing about you, but you think you know me!

My mother was also born in India, how strange is that? And her father, but she never had a problem with being a UK citizen.. same as my niece being born in Germany..  it's called born under the English flag!

You know nothing about what is happening in peoples lives, you read newspapers and think they are right... do you not read that papers invent things, or masticated things to sell more?

You only have to follow hilsborough to see how people lie...

Your criticising people, calling them..  when really, you know nothing.. 4 years doesn't make you Spanish, no more than all the Irish out in Spain..  but you never mention them.

Your wife felt ok to live on an erb for 15 years.. you never have. I would like to show you around mine.. so many cultures including Spanish..  Egyptian.. Dutch.. Irish. We are I minority, as are you.

dinnerout

Posted: Wed May 8, 2019 11:51am

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Posted: Wed May 8, 2019 11:51am

tvtechnology wrote on Wed May 8, 2019 10:57am:

I am only going on what they told me at the town hall at the time when we were applying for the building license - which took amazingly 20 minutes! Without an appointment. Perhaps Guardamar town hall are on an efficiency drive ;-)

My partner has a friend who runs a legal rental company and she tells us she can apply for licenses online - but you need to be a registered rental business to do this?  Only repeating what I have been told....

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The simple truth of the matter, is often areas of defined as 'what is legal', is ignored, by the Spanish firstly as often the maths simply 'does not stack up', so companies or individuals do what they need to do in order to survive or earn a living. I am not condoning this, but having seen first hand at the utter ineptitude of a system which is seemingly designed to take money off you, before you (or company) has had a chance to earn money / turn a profit, is a sure fire way of getting people/companies to break the law. 

If a self-employed person, does not make a profit in their specific venture, they are expected to pay north of €500 per month in social security, irrespective of if they have made any money. This for many self-employed is not viable, so they claim to work part-time (saves half the figure) and pull strokes elsewhere. You need to allow people to turn a profit or take some money, before taking it off them - as per the UK, social security is on a sliding scale - here, no. Inherently a system built incorrectly, mathematically doesn't work - so the vast majority (or so I am told) of self-employed workers have to make adjustments, which are not in accordance with the law.

I also read an article a little while ago, which mentioned 75% of small & medium companies were estimated to have 'accounting irregularities' - make of that what you will!

We live in a world where the king of the thieves resides as president of the supposedly free world, so if someone declares they work part-time when they work full time - as they can't afford to feed their family, because the system makes it unaffordable for them to survive, I can understand that in some instances, people simply do not have a choice. Does that make them criminals? I do not categorize these type of people the same as - turn up here, don't register, pay no tax or social - cash in hand always, basically taking the p - those people in Spain or the UK are dodgy and will do same wherever in the world and that I do not agree with. But it is never just 'black & white'. 

I completely agree with you about the Spanish love of paperwork, bureaucracy and the taxes on employment and business. 

But the criticism aimed at Ray is because he is critical of British immigrants who do not comply and contribute. The thread is about the difficulty and the long delays involved in getting a licence and clearly the delays have been caused by many Brits suddenly contemplating the loss of untaxed income and putting pressure on the system. 

To be honest some of the criticism of Ray for his opinion seems to tacitly support those who seek to avoid compliance. 

As I mentioned before I'm sure some of the people dodging compliance here in Spain are probably first in line to criticise immigrants to the UK for doing the same thing. I know of at least 3 in that boat.

If British owners had complied with the legislation as it became known to affect letting, the applications would have been made over a period of time thus preventing the overload that Brexit has caused.

Some of the abuse to posters, implied and otherwise is unwarranted and unpleasant. 

Steve

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Posted: Wed May 8, 2019 12:08pm

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Posted: Wed May 8, 2019 12:08pm

dinnerout wrote on Wed May 8, 2019 11:51am:

I completely agree with you about the Spanish love of paperwork, bureaucracy and the taxes on employment and business. 

But the criticism aimed at Ray is because he is critical of British immigrants who do not comply and contribute. The thread is about the difficulty and the long delays involved in getting a licence and clearly the delays have been caused by many Brits suddenly contemplating the loss of untaxed in...

...come and putting pressure on the system. 

To be honest some of the criticism of Ray for his opinion seems to tacitly support those who seek to avoid compliance. 

As I mentioned before I'm sure some of the people dodging compliance here in Spain are probably first in line to criticise immigrants to the UK for doing the same thing. I know of at least 3 in that boat.

If British owners had complied with the legislation as it became known to affect letting, the applications would have been made over a period of time thus preventing the overload that Brexit has caused.

Some of the abuse to posters, implied and otherwise is unwarranted and unpleasant. 

Steve

So your saying the same as me.. not everyone is the same, therefore it is wrong to tar everyone with the same brush!

LeckyLes

Posted: Wed May 8, 2019 12:08pm

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Posted: Wed May 8, 2019 12:08pm

Steve. RayD posts some very useful and helpful advice on this forum of which I myself have been appreciate of . Unfortunately he also has a proven track record of uncalled for, and random Brit Bashing which in fairness from time to time when it occurs, requires addressing.

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