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Planning on moving to Spain

Posted: Sun Jul 5, 2020 11:03pm
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Jimbo3489

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Good evening

I was passed this forum as a great site to seek advice from Brit Expats currently living in Spain. I really appreciate any help you may be able to give me. Thank you.  

I am 57 years old and currently full time employed in the South of England. However, I am looking to sell up and move to the Costa Brava /Alicante area of Spain. Having looked at lots of lovely properties, I am looking for your recommendations as to the areas / developments that you would recommend?  I am single so am looking to buy a 2 bedroom house/villa on in a nice area near to the beach. 

I know I have left my requirements a bit scant, however, I am pretty flexible and looking forward to your thoughts and recommendations and experiences. 

Thank you again. I really look forward to hearing from you. 

Kindest regards

Jim 😉👊🏻

Kimmy11

Posted: Sun Jul 5, 2020 11:35pm

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Posted: Sun Jul 5, 2020 11:35pm

Hi Jim and welcome to the forum!

If you haven't found them already, our resident guru, Jim Taylor, has written a brilliant set of guides to living in Spain:

Jim's guides - your complete guide to Spain

Regarding recommendations for areas to live, could you give us a little more information, such as whether it's important to you to be in an area with many other Brits, or whether you would prefer a more Spanish village?  Do you drive, or will you be relying on public transport?  Do you have a maximum budget?  There are so many places to choose from (we looked as far south as Mojacar and north to Denia), and I think it will be easier to home in on the best areas, if members have a little more info to go on.

Kind regards,

Kim

P.S.  Are you a friend of "Sha"? ;o)

Jimbo3489

Posted: Sun Jul 5, 2020 11:55pm

Jimbo3489

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Posted: Sun Jul 5, 2020 11:55pm

Kimmy11 wrote on Sun Jul 5, 2020 11:35pm:

Hi Jim and welcome to the forum!

If you haven't found them already, our resident guru, Jim Taylor, has written a brilliant set of guides to living in Spain:

Jim's guides - your complete guide to Spain

Regarding recommendations for areas to live, could you give us a little more information, such as whether it's important to you to be in an area with many other Brits, or whether you would prefer a more Spanish village?  Do you drive, or will you be relying on public transport?  Do you have a maximum budget?  There are so many places to choose from (we looked as far south as Mojacar and north to Denia), and I think it will be easier to home in on the best areas, if members have a little more info to go on.

Kind regards,

Kim

P.S.  Are you a friend of "Sha"? ;o)

Hi Kim

thank you for your swift response. I am indeed a friend of Sharon. She passed me your message earlier 😀 

I am looking for an area with a good mix of Brits & Spanish. I have IRO £100,000 to bury somewhere.  I do drive but would also like to walk a lot more and not rely on the car to get to civilisation. 

Are there any things that you would change about moving to Spain. It seems such a no-brainier to me. I lived abroad a lot during my time in the Army so I know what it’s like living abroad. 

Thank you again. I really do appreciate your time and assistance!

Jim 😉💋

Kimmy11

Posted: Mon Jul 6, 2020 4:42pm

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Posted: Mon Jul 6, 2020 4:42pm

Hi Jim,

Nothing I would change at all - we love it here!  But there are things I would have done differently, had we had more time, such as starting Spanish lessons in the UK.  

As early retirees, the costs are quite high.  For example, we're 59 and 62, so we don't qualify for an S1 yet and we're not eligible for the Spanish health service, so we have to pay for private health care (€890 each p.a.).  Personal tax allowances are lower in Spain, so any income - in our case, my husband's RAF pension and my rental income - will probably result in a higher tax bill.  Banking in Spain is not free, unless you have a pension paid direct from the UK and are happy to buy another of their products, such as an over-priced insurance.

On the plus side, our Council tax - called IBI in Spain and, in this region, often mistakenly called SUMA (which is actually the collecting agency) is only €365 (it was almost £3,000k in 2016 in the UK).  Food is roughly the same price, alcohol is cheaper.  Electricity is more expensive, but gas (mostly bottled) is much cheaper.  Fibre optic internet and telephone packages are cheaper in Spain, although location can affect the level of service you're able to receive.  If you buy a property on a 'community'with shared facilities, such as a swimming pool, you will have to pay community fees, so it's worth finding out what these are when you're looking at properties. 

Public transport is virtually non-existent when you go inland from the Costas, but is quite good along the coast in this area because of our proximity to Alicante airport.

In terms of your budget, property purchase tax in Spain is expensive at 10% of the purchase price (in the Valencia autonomous region), so assume 13% of your budget will need to be set aside for that plus legal fees: abogado (lawyer), notary and land registry.  So, if your top budget is €100k, you'll be looking at properties costing around €88k.  Because of the high cost of purchase tax and estate agents' fees (typically between 3% and 6%), it's important to get your purchase right first time, so you may want to consider renting for, say, 6 months initially to get a feel for locations.

The coastal towns I'd recommend in this area are Santa Pola, Guardamar and La Mata.  There are some other areas further north on the Costa Blanca, such as Denia and El Campello that I like, but this is totally subjective and may not suit you.

I've tried to give you a broad range of things to consider, but do let us know if you need more detail.  I'm sure others can offer views on location.

As I mentioned to Sharon, the financial requirements for third-country nationals, which UK citizens applying for Spanish residency become on 1 January 2021, are much higher than currently.  However, the Spanish government issued new instructions at the weekend, stating that new applicants from today, 6 July, have to apply for a TIE (Tarjeta de Indentidad Extranjero - foreigner's ID card), instead of the green Residencia cards that we were issued as EU citizens.  What they haven't said yet is whether the current financial requirements will continue to the end of the year, so it's worth keeping an eye on the forum for developments.

I appreciate that I've given you a lot to think about, but I hope it helps.

Kind regards,

Kim

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Jimbo3489

Posted: Mon Jul 6, 2020 5:59pm

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Posted: Mon Jul 6, 2020 5:59pm

Kimmy11 wrote on Mon Jul 6, 2020 4:42pm:

Hi Jim,

Nothing I would change at all - we love it here!  But there are things I would have done differently, had we had more time, such as starting Spanish lessons in the UK.  

As early retirees, the costs are quite high.  For example, we're 59 and 62, so we don't qualify for an S1 yet and we're not eligible for the Spanish health service, so we have to pay for private health care (€890 each p.a.).  Personal tax allowances are lower in Spain, so any income - in our case, my husband's RAF pension and my rental income - will probably result in a higher tax bill.  Banking in Spain is not free, unless you have a pension paid direct from the UK and are happy to buy another of their products, such as an over-priced insurance.

On the plus side, our Council tax - called IBI in Spain and, in this region, often mistakenly called SUMA (which is actually the collecting agency) is only €365 (it was almost £3,000k in 2016 in the UK).  Food is roughly the same price, alcohol is cheaper.  Electricity is more expensive, but gas (mostly bottled) is much cheaper.  Fibre optic internet and telephone packages are cheaper in Spain, although location can affect the level of service you're able to receive.  If you buy a property on a 'community'with shared facilities, such as a swimming pool, you will have to pay community fees, so it's worth finding out what these are when you're looking at properties. 

Public transport is virtually non-existent when you go inland from the Costas, but is quite good along the coast in this area because of our proximity to Alicante airport.

In terms of your budget, property purchase tax in Spain is expensive at 10% of the purchase price (in the Valencia autonomous region), so assume 13% of your budget will need to be set aside for that plus legal fees: abogado (lawyer), notary and land registry.  So, if your top budget is €100k, you'll be looking at properties costing around €88k.  Because of the high cost of purchase tax and estate agents' fees (typically between 3% and 6%), it's important to get your purchase right first time, so you may want to consider renting for, say, 6 months initially to get a feel for locations.

The coastal towns I'd recommend in this area are Santa Pola, Guardamar and La Mata.  There are some other areas further north on the Costa Blanca, such as Denia and El Campello that I like, but this is totally subjective and may not suit you.

I've tried to give you a broad range of things to consider, but do let us know if you need more detail.  I'm sure others can offer views on location.

As I mentioned to Sharon, the financial requirements for third-country nationals, which UK citizens applying for Spanish residency become on 1 January 2021, are much higher than currently.  However, the Spanish government issued new instructions at the weekend, stating that new applicants from today, 6 July, have to apply for a TIE (Tarjeta de Indentidad Extranjero - foreigner's ID card), instead of the green Residencia cards that we were issued as EU citizens.  What they haven't said yet is whether the current financial requirements will continue to the end of the year, so it's worth keeping an eye on the forum for developments.

I appreciate that I've given you a lot to think about, but I hope it helps.

Kind regards,

Kim

Thank you Kim. Very helpful indeed!!  Lots for me to consider. 😳. I’ll get back to you 😉

Kimmy11

Posted: Mon Jul 6, 2020 7:12pm

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Posted: Mon Jul 6, 2020 7:12pm

Hi Grahame, 

Yes, we could have applied for the Convenio Especial, but decided, on balance, to stick with PHI because, if we did cancel our PHI, it would cost a lot more to reinstate, if we decided the State system was not as good as private.

It's worth noting that the Convenio Especial is not free, as the NHS is in the UK.  We pay €1,780 p.a. for our PHI; if we switch to the C.E., the cost would be €1,440 p.a. (€60 per person, per month).  The advantage of the C.E. is that it doesn't exclude pre-existing conditions, but my husband and I don't have any.  With both PHI and the Convenio Especial, prescription costs are not covered.

Kind regards, 

Kim

RaymondJ

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 3:03pm

Posts: 3

Location: Alicante City

Joined: 21 Oct 2020

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 3:03pm

Kimmy11 wrote on Mon Jul 6, 2020 4:42pm:

Hi Jim,

Nothing I would change at all - we love it here!  But there are things I would have done differently, had we had more time, such as starting Spanish lessons in the UK.  

As early retirees, the costs are quite high.  For example, we're 59 and 62, so we don't qualify for an S1 yet and we're not eligible for the Spanish health service, so we have to pay for private health care (€890 each p.a.).  Personal tax allowances are lower in Spain, so any income - in our case, my husband's RAF pension and my rental income - will probably result in a higher tax bill.  Banking in Spain is not free, unless you have a pension paid direct from the UK and are happy to buy another of their products, such as an over-priced insurance.

On the plus side, our Council tax - called IBI in Spain and, in this region, often mistakenly called SUMA (which is actually the collecting agency) is only €365 (it was almost £3,000k in 2016 in the UK).  Food is roughly the same price, alcohol is cheaper.  Electricity is more expensive, but gas (mostly bottled) is much cheaper.  Fibre optic internet and telephone packages are cheaper in Spain, although location can affect the level of service you're able to receive.  If you buy a property on a 'community'with shared facilities, such as a swimming pool, you will have to pay community fees, so it's worth finding out what these are when you're looking at properties. 

Public transport is virtually non-existent when you go inland from the Costas, but is quite good along the coast in this area because of our proximity to Alicante airport.

In terms of your budget, property purchase tax in Spain is expensive at 10% of the purchase price (in the Valencia autonomous region), so assume 13% of your budget will need to be set aside for that plus legal fees: abogado (lawyer), notary and land registry.  So, if your top budget is €100k, you'll be looking at properties costing around €88k.  Because of the high cost of purchase tax and estate agents' fees (typically between 3% and 6%), it's important to get your purchase right first time, so you may want to consider renting for, say, 6 months initially to get a feel for locations.

The coastal towns I'd recommend in this area are Santa Pola, Guardamar and La Mata.  There are some other areas further north on the Costa Blanca, such as Denia and El Campello that I like, but this is totally subjective and may not suit you.

I've tried to give you a broad range of things to consider, but do let us know if you need more detail.  I'm sure others can offer views on location.

As I mentioned to Sharon, the financial requirements for third-country nationals, which UK citizens applying for Spanish residency become on 1 January 2021, are much higher than currently.  However, the Spanish government issued new instructions at the weekend, stating that new applicants from today, 6 July, have to apply for a TIE (Tarjeta de Indentidad Extranjero - foreigner's ID card), instead of the green Residencia cards that we were issued as EU citizens.  What they haven't said yet is whether the current financial requirements will continue to the end of the year, so it's worth keeping an eye on the forum for developments.

I appreciate that I've given you a lot to think about, but I hope it helps.

Kind regards,

Kim

Kimmy11, hello

I’m a bit similar to Jim but I think I should rent before I buy, so can I ask you,  why did you chose this location? 

Kimmy11

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:02pm

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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:02pm

Hi Raymond,

We knew this area well, as my husband's parents lived in La Marina for 18 years, but we still looked as far south as Sorbas in Andalucia and as far north as Denia on Costa Blanca North. On balance, the deciding factors were:

-  proximity to the beach (10 minutes inland from Guardamar del Segura, one of my favourite towns)

-  proximity to Alicante airport (we own property in the UK and my family live there)

-  Costa Blanca South is drier than Costa Blanca North

-  Costa Blanca South is more developed than the eastern end of Andalucia.  (Moving from the UK, we didn't want to have to drive 2 hours to do any type of shopping, other than food.)

-  Finding the right property (not on a community) in the countryside.

Having lived here for more than 4 years, we feel we got it right, but if you don't know the area well, renting is a really good idea.

Kind regards, 

Kim

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