Permanent Residency (TIE Card)

These links may help:

https://www.immigrationspain.es/en/long-term-residency/

https://ischoolconnect.com/blog/easy-steps-to-obtain-permanent-residency-in-spain/#:~:text=You%20can%20obtain%20a%20permanent,within%20three%20months%20of%20submission.

Interestingly both links speak about "normal long term residency" and "long term EU visa or card" the latter endowing the holder with the right to live and work in any EU country not just Spain.

If there is a free choice between the two after 5 years of temporary residence then clearly for many the latter could be the most advantageous!

Anyone got more info, or even better acquired a long term EU card?

Hi Jeff,

Unfortunately, you can't do the exchange online.  As you obtained your TIE prior to Brexit, it will be the Art. 18.4 (Withdrawal Agreement) TIE and your new card will state Permanente and Artículo 50 TUE on the front. The procedure for obtaining the permanent card, which lasts for 10 years, is very similar to applying for your original TIE, other than ticking a different box on the EX-23 application form.

It's worth noting that some National Police Stations and Foreigners' offices are pushing back on people whose TIE card has not reached its expiry date, saying that you have to wait.  For example, I obtained my green card residency in 2017, therefore I acquired permanent status in 2022.  However, because I exchanged my green card for a TIE in September 2020, my TIE doesn't expire until September 2025.  Immigration offices should not be denying us the right to a new Permanente card as soon as we have achieved 5 years residency, but you may need to stand your ground and insist that they check your original residency date on their system.  If you have a copy of your original green card, it will probably help to take it to your application appointment.

You can make the appointment ("Cita previa") at this link:

https://icp.administracionelectronica.gob.es/icpplus/index.html

After you've selected the province of "Alicante", expand the drop-down box to see the available options.  Note that the Brexit option has disappeared, you need to select "Toma de Huellas" (finger-printing) instead.  Making the appointment is likely to be the most difficult part of this process, although I've just seen an appointment available at CNP Elche for tomorrow morning.  Remember that you will need a separate appointment for each applicant.

You can find the Modelo EX-23 here:

https://inclusion.seg-social.es/documents/410169/2156472/23-Formulario_TIE_RU_Imprimible.pdf

In section 4) "Datos relativos a la solicitud", you need to tick "Renovación de Tarjeta" in the category 4.1 "Tipo do documento" (note that there isn't a box that says 'exchange from temporal to permanente'!).

When attending your appointment, you'll need to take:

-  confirmation of your appointment

-  current TIE (and copy of your previous green card if you have it)

-  completed EX-23 form

-  valid passport, together with a photocopy of the main ID photo page

-  a completed Modelo 790-012, stamped by the bank where you paid the fee - here's a link to complete the 790 online:

   https://sede.policia.gob.es:38089/Tasa790_012/

Good luck!

Kind regards,

Kim

Hi Kim,

Thank very much for such a detailed and very accurate guide, my wife has made an appointment for us both at our nearest National Police station (separate appointments as advised) and we have completed all the forms, we just need to get our bank to stamp our Modelo 790-012. 

Our five years residency is this month and our Temporary TIE (which has the wrong wording on it) runs out in 2025, so we will be taking copies of our green cards and letter from the National Police Headquarters acknowledging the wording on our TIE is incorrect and that we are covered by the withdrawal agreement and they have confirmed that we can exchange our card if we want to. 

Once again many thanks for your help. 

Best regards

Jeff

I think you'll find it's the same thing. You can move to another country in the EU with your TIE but you then need to show you have the means and health cover and all the other gubbins to apply for residency in that country. What you don't need is an NLV issued in your own country as the TIE is treated as a long term EU visa.

Initial move, visa required (whether NLV, work visa or whatever) then go to the country and apply for residency.

Move from one country to the other as a permanent resident then apply for residency but no NLV or other visa required).

May be wrong but that's what I get from reading other countries requirements. 

For example, the German (DE) on applying for residency states "If you hold an EU long-term residence permit issued by another EU Member State, a residence permit will be issued to you in Germany allowing you to work, study or undergo training here."

"After you have been resident in Germany for five years, you can apply for an EU long-term residence permit in Germany. The EU long-term residence permit issued in the first Member State will then expire."