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RonTT

Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2024 3:21pm

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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2024 3:21pm

marcliff wrote on Thu Mar 28, 2024 3:05pm:

And there we go again, playing the victim card. The fact this rule applies to all those countries that are not in the EU or EEA but can travel visa free seems to have gone whoosh right over your head. 

The EU bent over backwards to ensure those legally (note the word legally) living in the EU before UK left were granted all the rights they already enjoyed. They made sure each country advertised the procedures, made changing from EU to citizen to non EU citizen extremely easy and made each count...

...ry submit documentation to show how they were doing it. Even had roadshows (poorly attended) by mayors and even the King and Queen travelled to a few to show how well valued the legal British citizens were in Spain. And ensuring reciprocal tax and health protocols were re done by the individual countries. That Boris didn't want to discuss how the 90/180 rule would affect Brits shows the UK government cared less about its own citizens than the EU did.

A record number of properties were sold to foreigners in the Alicante province last year, the airport has broken records every month this year for arrivals and the hotels on the coast are at their highest level of occupancy for over 6 years so where the other statement about lack of people spending comes from is also ridiculous.

It was well known the rules would change if UK left the EU which they did. That people ignored it and now say stupid things like "and punish Brits for leaving the EU" just shows the incredible level of ignorance some people show. 

FYI, it does not just apply to the Brits regardless of how "speshul" you seem to think you are.

You know as well as i know that the EU do not and did not apply the rules accross the board, be honest and admit it.

Post brexit the rules did not change, pre brexit Brits came and went and stayed as long as they wanted, same as other nationals from other countries, the citizens from other countries are still coming and going as they please, no victim card required, just an honest assessment of the situation and facts so no victim card required.

And yes i do feel sorry for the Brits that bought holiday homes that they cannot use as they please but once again its not Britain that is stopping them, its the EU.

Davebev1

Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2024 3:34pm

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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2024 3:34pm

RonTT wrote on Thu Mar 28, 2024 3:21pm:

You know as well as i know that the EU do not and did not apply the rules accross the board, be honest and admit it.

Post brexit the rules did not change, pre brexit Brits came and went and stayed as long as they wanted, same as other nationals from other countries, the citizens from other countries are still coming and going as they please, no victim card required, just an honest assessment of the situation an...

...d facts so no victim card required.

And yes i do feel sorry for the Brits that bought holiday homes that they cannot use as they please but once again its not Britain that is stopping them, its the EU.

The EU, and as we are writing about Spain in particular, have always enforced the rules to non-EU citizens.  They are much more casual towards the max 3 month stay when it comes to those within the EU, which is why Brits pre-brexit were able to live 'under the radar' (illegally) in Spain or to spend 5 months continuous in the winter in Spain.  But Brits are not EU citizens any more so can't get away with it, they get the same treatment as other third country nationals.  So ron, you are claiming the EU is somehow punishing the UK and its citizens for leaving the EU, when the reality is they have done, and are doing, no such thing.  As I previously pointed out, the UK helped make the very rules that you now complain about. It is the status change of Brits that has caused the problem, but that status change was done by the British government and not by the EU.  Frankly Ron, if you hate and disrespect the EU so much why visit or live in Spain?

marcliff

Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2024 4:03pm

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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2024 4:03pm

RonTT wrote on Thu Mar 28, 2024 3:21pm:

You know as well as i know that the EU do not and did not apply the rules accross the board, be honest and admit it.

Post brexit the rules did not change, pre brexit Brits came and went and stayed as long as they wanted, same as other nationals from other countries, the citizens from other countries are still coming and going as they please, no victim card required, just an honest assessment of the situation an...

...d facts so no victim card required.

And yes i do feel sorry for the Brits that bought holiday homes that they cannot use as they please but once again its not Britain that is stopping them, its the EU.

People from the EU, yes. Not from countries outside the EU which now applies to UK. It applies to Americans, Australians and anyone that can visit visa free. 

What bit about we are no longer in the EU are you finding difficult to understand? 

RonTT

Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2024 5:22pm

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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2024 5:22pm

marcliff wrote on Thu Mar 28, 2024 4:03pm:

People from the EU, yes. Not from countries outside the EU which now applies to UK. It applies to Americans, Australians and anyone that can visit visa free. 

What bit about we are no longer in the EU are you finding difficult to understand? 

Norweigen, Swiss etc are not in the EU and come and go as they please the same as Brits did pre brexit.

This is my last post in this thread as there is little point in posting when those reading the posts struggle in giving unbiased and fact based replies.

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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2024 5:41pm

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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2024 5:41pm

RonTT wrote on Thu Mar 28, 2024 5:22pm:

Norweigen, Swiss etc are not in the EU and come and go as they please the same as Brits did pre brexit.

This is my last post in this thread as there is little point in posting when those reading the posts struggle in giving unbiased and fact based replies.

Switzerland and Norway are in Schengen.  The 90/180 is a Schengen wide rule - not the same as the EU as 4 EU countries (was 5 when the UK were in the EU) are currently not in Schengen and 4 non-EU countries are in Schengen.  Ron, would you like the UK to join Schengen?  It could be an option but the current UK government certainly are not in favour.  But those nationals are bound by max 90 days in Spain per continuous visit, and Spain's 182/365 days, they just have more flexibility over how they use those days.  Just to clarify, EU countries not in Schengen are exempt the 90/180 which is why it didn't apply to the UK when we were in the EU but not in Schengen.

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marcliff

Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2024 5:56pm

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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2024 5:56pm

RonTT wrote on Thu Mar 28, 2024 5:22pm:

Norweigen, Swiss etc are not in the EU and come and go as they please the same as Brits did pre brexit.

This is my last post in this thread as there is little point in posting when those reading the posts struggle in giving unbiased and fact based replies.

Yeah, right. You need to hand in your victim card and accept the fact UK is not being picked on. Single market nations have the same rights as EU members.

NigeF

Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2024 6:44pm

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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2024 6:44pm

RonTT wrote on Thu Mar 28, 2024 5:22pm:

Norweigen, Swiss etc are not in the EU and come and go as they please the same as Brits did pre brexit.

This is my last post in this thread as there is little point in posting when those reading the posts struggle in giving unbiased and fact based replies.

GUFFAW, Ron, i think you may be wasting your time, no chance of an unbiased EU debate on here.

dinnerout

Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2024 7:16pm

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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2024 7:16pm

NigeF wrote on Thu Mar 28, 2024 6:44pm:

GUFFAW, Ron, i think you may be wasting your time, no chance of an unbiased EU debate on here.

RON has been presented with the facts several times but he doesn't appear to like them. I'm expecting him to start a thread shortly about how outraged he is about Nike desecrating the flag 😁

Andyblades

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2024 9:51am

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Karenessex wrote on Wed Mar 27, 2024 5:38pm:

Thank you for replying. It's a shame as we may now have to sell our home in Spain because of this

We find going backwards and forewords works fine, ie, 3 weeks in Cabo Roig then 3/4 weeks back in Uk over the year works really well flights cheap enough and as we only take a small bag on the plane ( as all clothes in holiday home) no luggage costs on the plane and quick through the airport 

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Posted: Mon Apr 1, 2024 12:09am

RonTT wrote on Wed Mar 27, 2024 6:55pm:

I would agree the UK voluntarily chose to leave the EU however the UK are not responsible for the rules and regulations that have created this issue, those rules and regulations are quite obviously100% EU based.

Many of the EU rules and regulations were agreed to and implemented with the support of the UK whilst they were members. Not so happy to support them now that they’re on the receiving end?

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