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BeniSnowbird

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2023 4:08pm

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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2023 4:08pm

😂😂😂

It’s easy to get a billion when 75% of it comes from the UK taxpayer 😂 The British exchequer funds NI like they always do. In any case most of it for the border counties on the southern side will be siphoned off to line the pockets of the the Dublin gang in Leinster house.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/mla-aiken-accuses-dublin-of-stitch-up-over-announcement-of-858m-package/a244210326.html

NI and in fact Ireland will always be tied to the British apron strings. When Irelands corporation tax rules are forced to align properly keep an eye on their economy…. the begging bowl will be out to the IMF as it was in 2010.

JJOS

Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2023 12:38am

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Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2023 12:38am

Interesting choice of newspaper to support your argument! Very illuminating on the objectiveness of the contributor. 

What is the point regarding the banking crisis in Ireland? The IMF did  lend to Ireland, as did many EU countries, incl. the UK.  All such loans have been repaid in full. Will the IMF lend to GB one day? Would it is probably a better question? 

Comparing the Economies of Ireland and GB is childish. Ireland's economy is one thirteenth of Britain's. Its Constitution is only 75 years old and the first half of that was spent trying to re configure the country after centuries of robbery,  persecution and oppression. UK's economy has been built on vast wealth acquired through plunder of one third of the world's resources. If you wish to go historical about Ireland and the GB, it becomes very unpleasant and embarrassing reading for the GB -all 800 years of it.

The comment was that Ireland influenced negatively the kind of Brexit you got. God forbid  that Ireland, as a long term member of the EU and the country at greatest risk, should try to influence the EU, to protect itself and NI from Tory insanity, lies and diplomatic incompetence. 

Prime Minister May negotiated a very sensible deal with the EU that respected the vote and enabled open trade with its neighbours and partners and would have made life a lot easier on both islands. No marks for guessing who scuttled it?  DUP.
As a major trading partner, nearest neighbour,  Ireland is linked closely to GB but to suggest “Ireland is tied to Britains apron” is an ignorant and meaningless comment without evidence or substance.  Yes, Ireland and the UK are interdependent in may ways but perhaps the drop in shipping between the two countries since Brexit and the corresponding increase between Ireland and Europe is an indication of future trade patterns and perhaps significant in that context. Ireland can trade freely with the EU, the US and many markets with whom the EU has trade agreements. Not quite so easy for the UK now is it, but no doubt it will find markets in New Zealand and other interesting and exotic places and who knows, Trump and Boris might be back!!  Perhaps planes coming back empty from Rwanda might be helpful.

Ireland has become a small open economy, influenced mainly by developing it's third level education system to provide the necessary skillsets for scientific, pharmaceutical, IT and biomedical research and development. It is a net contributor to the EU for many years and hasn't cried publicly for refunds like the much bigger UK did perennially. The previous 12% corporation system could have been employed by  ANY other country incl. the UK or NI. They just didn't think of it. Since the introduction of the EU tax harmonisation, not one single major multinational company has indicated it's intention to leave.  Objectively,  no-one knows what the future holds in that regard. India for example, has a very well educated population and is a lower cost environment and perhaps has the capacity to continue to attract all kinds of foreign investment. 

It is painful for any Irish person to have to admit that NI is an economic, political and social failure, built on bigotry, discrimination and intolerance, bereft of enterprise and utterly dependant for it's very existence on handouts from the Colonial master. 

Thankfully that is all about to change in the very near future. I wonder how many British taxpayers will shed tears on it's demise? 

Ahh, but don't panic, there may be other causes to fight to hold onto the Falklands and Gibralter!! 

Scotland?

Enjoy Sammy in action!

 https://youtu.be/OppR_UWR4WQ

https://youtu.be/kyt_kK9RS08

 
 
BeniSnowbird

Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2023 8:48pm

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Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2023 8:48pm

Hurts eh?

The facts that the UK are the major contributor shouldn’t surprise anyone.


UI in your lifetime, your kids lifetime and your kids kids lifetime? I’ll stand 100/1 odds on that one.


now back to your bum chum Leo.

James1212

Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2023 12:08am

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Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2023 12:08am

BeniSnowbird wrote on Fri Sep 15, 2023 8:48pm:

Hurts eh?

The facts that the UK are the major contributor shouldn’t surprise anyone.


UI in your lifetime, your kids lifetime and your kids kids lifetime? I’ll stand 100/1 odds on that one.


now back to your bum chum Leo.

Bum chum? Really?

JJOS

Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2023 8:13pm

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Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2023 8:13pm

Major contributor? NI has been part of the UK for quite a while, or had you forgotten? Should it not contribute to helping the lives of it's citizens, even if the initiative comes from elsewhere. Baffling.                                   

Ireland and the EU are trying to HELP. From the perspective of the people of NI, does it really matter where the money comes from? The DUP boys who have never said "Yes" to anything including the Peace process and Good Friday Agreement, are so full of hate they couldn't even attend the meetings to represent the interest of their supporters, because the EU and Irish Govt. were participating. Beyond Pathetic but hardly surprising. 

The "bum chum" phrase is new to me but no doubt it refers to the Taoiseach of Ireland, being a gay man. 

Another unambiguous example of unionist  relentless Prejudice.  How very sad.

Despite that ye will be treated with respect, friendship and dignity with equal rights as citizens in the re-united Ireland.

The days of State sponsored discrimination and inequality are over. Suck it up. Democracy and equality is the name of the game and no amount of screaming, shouting, waffling or threatening can change that reality.

You might even,  eventually, learn to enjoy living in an open multicultural and fair society, like tens of thousands of British citizens who live and work in Ireland and participate enthusiastically in our way of life.

This is my last contribution. Thanks for taking the time and effort to put forward your side of the argument.  As Queen Elizabeth said during her visit to Ireland, we have all made mistake in the past,  let's look to a future of friendship and co-operation. Our two little islands are little more than dots in the Atlantic and whatever our politics or religion we can and should be friends into the future.Best wishes to you and yours.

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BruceK

Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2023 12:29pm

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Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2023 12:29pm

BeniSnowbird wrote on Mon Sep 11, 2023 9:46pm:

“Luckily, someone on the Island of Ireland was awake and acted honestly in the interest of the people.”


Aye, they’re good at it aren’t they?

Like the 2 referendums they ran and didn’t get the result they wanted and keep running it until they got the result they required. You can be sure that the gombeens at the helm had their hands in the eurocratic pocket to do it.

At least Britain have the balls to abide by the decision of the people, even if some of us didn’t vote for it.

And they stuck to it after a successful con job, and then ensured the outcome financially benefitted a select few in the UK. If you don't think the outcome was orchestrated for enriching the few, you are one of the misled

Javea

Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:51pm

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Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:51pm

I for one, never expected this thread to continue for so long. But I do respect everyone’s responses and beliefs 

BeniSnowbird

Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2023 8:31pm

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Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2023 8:31pm

It would actually be funny if it wasn’t so bloody pathetic:

Gombeenism at its finest:

Leo the gombeen at work !


https://youtu.be/cjl8OIZijjY?si=Maf-LOfN8n-t6dRM





 
Shannon2020

Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:01am

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Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:01am

JJOS wrote on Sat Sep 16, 2023 8:13pm:

Major contributor? NI has been part of the UK for quite a while, or had you forgotten? Should it not contribute to helping the lives of it's citizens, even if the initiative comes from elsewhere. Baffling.                           ...

...        

Ireland and the EU are trying to HELP. From the perspective of the people of NI, does it really matter where the money comes from? The DUP boys who have never said "Yes" to anything including the Peace process and Good Friday Agreement, are so full of hate they couldn't even attend the meetings to represent the interest of their supporters, because the EU and Irish Govt. were participating. Beyond Pathetic but hardly surprising. 

The "bum chum" phrase is new to me but no doubt it refers to the Taoiseach of Ireland, being a gay man. 

Another unambiguous example of unionist  relentless Prejudice.  How very sad.

Despite that ye will be treated with respect, friendship and dignity with equal rights as citizens in the re-united Ireland.

The days of State sponsored discrimination and inequality are over. Suck it up. Democracy and equality is the name of the game and no amount of screaming, shouting, waffling or threatening can change that reality.

You might even,  eventually, learn to enjoy living in an open multicultural and fair society, like tens of thousands of British citizens who live and work in Ireland and participate enthusiastically in our way of life.

This is my last contribution. Thanks for taking the time and effort to put forward your side of the argument.  As Queen Elizabeth said during her visit to Ireland, we have all made mistake in the past,  let's look to a future of friendship and co-operation. Our two little islands are little more than dots in the Atlantic and whatever our politics or religion we can and should be friends into the future.Best wishes to you and yours.

Nice! Thank you. You got a follow.

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