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CulleraLad

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2024 3:48pm

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Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2024 3:48pm

George55 wrote on Sat Jan 27, 2024 2:46pm:

You slightly mis-interpret what my intended point was although I didn't really expand on it much here - a new piece of legislation could well be struck down but it won't be struck down for the same reasons as this one was.

This was struck down because the Court considered it effectively a "bolt-on" to the original legislation and not directly correlated to the original intention of the bill....

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If a new piece of legislation was introduced specific to achieving a "2nd home owner visa for British citizens" then it wouldn't be struck out for the same reason as this one - but it could be struck out or ultimately ruled as unconstitutional/discriminatory in whichever Court - either in the French courts system or the EU courts system.

Personally, I don't think you should have legislation that specifically benefits one group of people over another - making it a "2nd home owner visa for anyone" would seem to make more sense and not be as discriminatory.

I personally consider that it's quite acceptable that British people who've worked hard (not down the pub every night) saved, taken financial risks, invested their money in another country to achieve a lifelong ambition to retire to a better climate should take preference over others. They didn't vote for Brexit ( caveat emptor) because overall they had better critical thinking skills and saw the pitfalls. They are now caught up in Brexit cult fallout through no fault of their own . They help the local economy in those countries where they settle. They restore the housing stock.They pay their taxes there. If Stanley Johnson, the traitor Boris's father can swan off to France, the rest of us should be shown the same courtesy.

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CulleraLad wrote on Sat Jan 27, 2024 3:48pm:

I personally consider that it's quite acceptable that British people who've worked hard (not down the pub every night) saved, taken financial risks, invested their money in another country to achieve a lifelong ambition to retire to a better climate should take preference over others. They didn't...

... vote for Brexit ( caveat emptor) because overall they had better critical thinking skills and saw the pitfalls. They are now caught up in Brexit cult fallout through no fault of their own . They help the local economy in those countries where they settle. They restore the housing stock.They pay their taxes there. If Stanley Johnson, the traitor Boris's father can swan off to France, the rest of us should be shown the same courtesy.

Ref your quote above 

"They didn't vote for Brexit ( caveat emptor) because overall they had better critical thinking skills and saw the pitfalls."

Quite a disgusting slur on those that voted for brexit and certainly demonstrates your lack of understanding of why the majority voted to leave the EU, might i suggest if they did not vote for brexit it was due to self interests rather than any "better critical thinking skills".

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Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2024 5:36pm

RonTT wrote on Sat Jan 27, 2024 5:13pm:

Ref your quote above 

"They didn't vote for Brexit ( caveat emptor) because overall they had better critical thinking skills and saw the pitfalls."

Quite a disgusting slur on those that voted for brexit and certainly demonstrates your lack of understanding of why the majority voted to leave the EU, might i suggest if they did not vote for brexit it was due to self interests rather than any "better critical thinking skills".

Quote: ("Might I suggest if they did not vote for Brexit " etc. .. ). Obviously discluding those (recently rescinded this week) who were not permitted. Were due to ("self interest). Please explain. V

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Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2024 5:52pm

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Villas wrote on Sat Jan 27, 2024 5:36pm:

Quote: ("Might I suggest if they did not vote for Brexit " etc. .. ). Obviously discluding those (recently rescinded this week) who were not permitted. Were due to ("self interest). Please explain. V

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/self-interest

harvest

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2024 3:26pm

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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2024 3:26pm

RonTT wrote on Sat Jan 27, 2024 5:13pm:

Ref your quote above 

"They didn't vote for Brexit ( caveat emptor) because overall they had better critical thinking skills and saw the pitfalls."

Quite a disgusting slur on those that voted for brexit and certainly demonstrates your lack of understanding of why the majority voted to leave the EU, might i suggest if they did not vote for brexit it was due to self interests rather than any "better critical thinking skills".

There have been a number of analyses of those that voted leave or remain. One of the most illuminating (for me anyway) was that 70% of those in the lowest class (no qualifications, mainly earnings minimum wage) voted leave and 70% of those in highest 2 classes (educated to graduate level or higher) voted remain. Just saying (don’t want to start another pointless Brexit argument).

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Jack Dees

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2024 4:22pm

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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2024 4:22pm

It's been a while since I studied EU law but there is a principle of "subsidiarity" which allows countries and regional parliaments to make laws that only affect their country or area without interference from the EU institutions or law unless it contravenes EU law.

It follows that if Spain or France passed a stand alone law giving Brits rights of residence in Spain or France alone that doesn't contradict EU law it would probably not be challenged. This would be entirely different from what the French tried.

Whether they the will to do it is a different matter.

Kimmy11

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2024 4:39pm

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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2024 4:39pm

RonTT wrote on Sat Jan 27, 2024 5:13pm:

Ref your quote above 

"They didn't vote for Brexit ( caveat emptor) because overall they had better critical thinking skills and saw the pitfalls."

Quite a disgusting slur on those that voted for brexit and certainly demonstrates your lack of understanding of why the majority voted to leave the EU, might i suggest if they did not vote for brexit it was due to self interests rather than any "better critical thinking skills".

Hi Ron TT,

I voted to remain and whilst my reasons were many, none of them were "self-interest" - for those with such movitation, you need to look at the far-right of the Conservative Party.  Primarily, I believe that there's tremendous strength to be derived from nations working in unity and collaboration; the vast majority of foreigners wanting to move to the UK are not illegal immigrants, and the country needs them; and, factually, the figure stated on a big red bus was a big fat lie.  All of which, since the 2016 Referendum, have been proved.

So how do you know why "the majority" voted for Brexit?  What was the reason?

Kind regards,

Kim

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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2024 4:44pm

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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2024 4:44pm

harvest wrote on Sun Jan 28, 2024 3:26pm:

There have been a number of analyses of those that voted leave or remain. One of the most illuminating (for me anyway) was that 70% of those in the lowest class (no qualifications, mainly earnings minimum wage) voted leave and 70% of those in highest 2 classes (educated to graduate level or highe...

...r) voted remain. Just saying (don’t want to start another pointless Brexit argument).

Comparing education levels at voting is complete nonsense and to me elitist tripe. One person one vote, thats the rule, no-one has questioned IQ following general election voting so why would they do so after the EU vote?

Rgds,

Aitch.

Kimmy11

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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 1:11pm

It's interesting reading this post and all the replies, it goes from someone posting that the French courts for whatever reason have blocked the relaxing of the 90 day rule for homeowners in France to an exchange of views on Brexit. It doesn't matter which way you voted it's done now just live with it and the reason this has come up is because we left, I expect some day when the courts are happy with the wording it will go through and Spain will follow suit. To speed things up our government could help but there not really interested by tell the EU the ability for their citizens to stay in the UK for 6 months will come to end in 12 months time unless the EU allows British people the same privilege in EU countries, as it stands at the moment EU citizens don't need to be a homeowner to enjoy this. The real problem lies with our government not negotiating this point during the Brexit talks which is not surprising as almost all MPs wanted to remain including Johnson.

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