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Roztowe wrote on Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:24am:

I am looking to sell my house in Spain now. I came over very frequently through the year and kept within the rules. However, I can now get a long term visa to stay in France, much easier rules than Spain re income etc, so I will be giving Spain a swerve in future. 

Roztowe wrote on Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:24am:

I am looking to sell my house in Spain now. I came over very frequently through the year and kept within the rules. However, I can now get a long term visa to stay in France, much easier rules than Spain re income etc, so I will be giving Spain a swerve in future. 

trotter wrote on Sun Oct 24, 2021 5:21pm:

Wouldn't any long term residential visa for France allow you to travel to Spain? Would you now pay your taxes to France? 

I understood that the EU Shengen rules were valid throughout the EU.

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I, for one, would be interested if you have discovered a loophole that allows a 6 month stay in the EU without paying taxes to the EU country

trotter wrote on Sun Oct 24, 2021 5:21pm:

Wouldn't any long term residential visa for France allow you to travel to Spain? Would you now pay your taxes to France? 

I understood that the EU Shengen rules were valid throughout the EU.

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I, for one, would be interested if you have discovered a loophole that allows a 6 month stay in the EU without paying taxes to the EU country

Care4 wrote on Mon Oct 25, 2021 5:29pm:

Im not entirely sure but there has been a discussion instigated in Spain surrounding the ECHR and a clause within it which states, I believe, that everyone has the right to enjoy their property without hindrance. The ECHR is somethng that the whole of the EU has signed up to. The question current...

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...ly being asked is if someone bought a property prior to Brexit is the 90/180 rule an infringement of their right to enjoy their property without hindrance.

Davebev1 wrote on Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:30pm:

I was agreeing with most of what you said until you said the EU was being petty.  When the UK was part of the EU it allowed EU nationals to visit the UK for max 180 consecutive days, but even prior to Schengen rules coming in the Spanish law was always 3 months unless applying for residency ...

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...for all visitors.  I didn't hear people saying they wanted reciprocal arrangements then.  In all honesty neither country was terribly efficient in enforcing their own laws.  So to try and answer your final question: Each EU country sets its own rules on immigration and for some EU countries it is possible to stay 180 consecutive days without residency.  But the countries in the Schengen zone have adopted one joint policy - it isn't an EU policy and Schengen includes currently 4 non-EU countries and excludes several EU countries (eg Bulgaria, Cyprus and a few others).  So it isn't the EU being petty at all, it is the individual countries making their own immigration rules (always a devolved matter to each sovereign country) and deciding if they want to be part of a joint policy by 26 countries on the continent of Europe.  Spain may decide to have a type of homeowners' visa at some point, giving homeowners extended rights to stay, but that must be Spain's decision and it would be possible for them to do that if they feel it worthwhile.  For now, like it or not, whether you view it as right or wrong, Brits are in the position that we have left the EU and now have to abide by third country rules.

Hew wrote on Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:09pm:

Thanks for the comments, but do you agree or not that (at present) the UK allows Spanish citizens to enter the UK and reside for a full 180 consecutive days out of 360. As opposed to the 90/180 which British citizens are entitled to do when entering Spain. As I said in my recent post, I am more t...

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...han happy with 90/180, have been for the past 15 years, and can not see that ever changing. But 180 out of 360 would be beneficial for a lot of people who have purchased property in Spain. It’s still only 6 months out of a year which ever way you look at it.
All the best and stay safe.

Hew wrote on Thu Oct 21, 2021 8:37pm:

I’m pretty sure most of us already knew that there were many exploiting the 90/180 rule for many years, it has always been the rule and did not just come into effect due to Brexit. Now it’s being enforced so they have a problem, additionally they had plenty of notice prior to Brexit to do som...

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...ething about it. So basically they were not holiday home owners, they were illegals living in Spain!.
Personally, I am just a holiday home owner, and quite honestly the 90/180 is OK for me, but there are many Holiday home owners from the UK who would prefer to spend 180/360 in Spain. The UK tourist rules allow EU citizens to spend 180 consecutive days in the UK  out of 360. I think the UK government intended for the likes of these differences to be resolved via bilateral agreements, but the rush to get Brexit done left a lot of Brexit undone.  But it’s still possible, depends how petty the EU wants to be. It’s not unreasonable to ask for equality, a Spanish citizen can enter the UK and stay for 180 days. Why should it not be reciprocal. Tell me quite honestly, why Not?

trotter wrote on Sun Oct 24, 2021 5:21pm:

Wouldn't any long term residential visa for France allow you to travel to Spain? Would you now pay your taxes to France? 

I understood that the EU Shengen rules were valid throughout the EU.

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I, for one, would be interested if you have discovered a loophole that allows a 6 month stay in the EU without paying taxes to the EU country

oadbyman wrote on Tue Oct 26, 2021 2:03am:

Trotter

There is not one, you have to register in the country if over 90 days legally, even as an EU citizen.

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suej6 there are parts of the EU that are not in Schengen area, but they are Ireland and eastern Europe

Care4 The question currently being asked is if someone bought a property prior to Brexit is the 90/180 rule an infringement of their right to enjoy their property without hindrance. - cannot see that, the EU did not change the situation, the British people made the choice and you have to live with that

All UK citizens had time to become legally resident in Spain between 2016 and the so called "Independence day 1/1/21", look like cast adrift day and now the UK is calling on citizens they did not want to come back and drive lorries, kill pigs, serve beer and food, man hospitals etc,  pich crops, this after 10 months.

Time will tell is it was good or bad for UK, but people who backed leaving with money have made money others have got residence in EU (Lawson) while saying leave.