We are led to believe by the media non resident retirees are selling up. - Page 3

Hew wrote on Thu Oct 21, 2021 8:37pm:

I’m pretty sure most of us already knew that there were many exploiting the 90/180 rule for many years, it has always been the rule and did not just come into effect due to Brexit. Now it’s being enforced so they have a problem, additionally they had plenty of notice prior to Brexit to do som...

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...ething about it. So basically they were not holiday home owners, they were illegals living in Spain!.
Personally, I am just a holiday home owner, and quite honestly the 90/180 is OK for me, but there are many Holiday home owners from the UK who would prefer to spend 180/360 in Spain. The UK tourist rules allow EU citizens to spend 180 consecutive days in the UK  out of 360. I think the UK government intended for the likes of these differences to be resolved via bilateral agreements, but the rush to get Brexit done left a lot of Brexit undone.  But it’s still possible, depends how petty the EU wants to be. It’s not unreasonable to ask for equality, a Spanish citizen can enter the UK and stay for 180 days. Why should it not be reciprocal. Tell me quite honestly, why Not?

oadbyman wrote on Tue Oct 26, 2021 2:03am:

Trotter

There is not one, you have to register in the country if over 90 days legally, even as an EU citizen.

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suej6 there are parts of the EU that are not in Schengen area, but they are Ireland and eastern Europe

Care4 The question currently being asked is if someone bought a property prior to Brexit is the 90/180 rule an infringement of their right to enjoy their property without hindrance. - cannot see that, the EU did not change the situation, the British people made the choice and you have to live with that

All UK citizens had time to become legally resident in Spain between 2016 and the so called "Independence day 1/1/21", look like cast adrift day and now the UK is calling on citizens they did not want to come back and drive lorries, kill pigs, serve beer and food, man hospitals etc,  pich crops, this after 10 months.

Time will tell is it was good or bad for UK, but people who backed leaving with money have made money others have got residence in EU (Lawson) while saying leave.

treasure wrote on Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:12pm:

Don't believe everything you read or hear especially "pub" talk. Spain is no different than any other "holiday/retirement" country, especially with a lovely climate as Spain. It's always been a revolving door as in the UK, people sell properties for all manner of reasons, work, health, age, finan...

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...cial, etc, as per other comments there has been a slight increase and for the reasons already pointed out but nothing dramatic.

There are still large numbers of UK people still living in Spain with no plans to leave, large numbers who have holiday homes who have no intention to sell and there is still a healthy number of UK people still looking to purchase Spanish properties. Brexit has had an effect but nothing like the doom mongers and dramatist's would have you believe.

Davebev1 wrote on Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:30pm:

I was agreeing with most of what you said until you said the EU was being petty.  When the UK was part of the EU it allowed EU nationals to visit the UK for max 180 consecutive days, but even prior to Schengen rules coming in the Spanish law was always 3 months unless applying for residency ...

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...for all visitors.  I didn't hear people saying they wanted reciprocal arrangements then.  In all honesty neither country was terribly efficient in enforcing their own laws.  So to try and answer your final question: Each EU country sets its own rules on immigration and for some EU countries it is possible to stay 180 consecutive days without residency.  But the countries in the Schengen zone have adopted one joint policy - it isn't an EU policy and Schengen includes currently 4 non-EU countries and excludes several EU countries (eg Bulgaria, Cyprus and a few others).  So it isn't the EU being petty at all, it is the individual countries making their own immigration rules (always a devolved matter to each sovereign country) and deciding if they want to be part of a joint policy by 26 countries on the continent of Europe.  Spain may decide to have a type of homeowners' visa at some point, giving homeowners extended rights to stay, but that must be Spain's decision and it would be possible for them to do that if they feel it worthwhile.  For now, like it or not, whether you view it as right or wrong, Brits are in the position that we have left the EU and now have to abide by third country rules.

oadbyman wrote on Tue Oct 26, 2021 1:48am:

Hew

You asked so here is the explanation.

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The EU apply their laws, they apply to Chinees Russians and UK Citizens

UK apply their Laws, they apply to Chinees Russians, and EU Citizens

Neither are being petty, grow up expecting other to bend to the UK citizens wishes, the UK voted to leave, the EU wanted the UK to stay.

Simple

Andrew6666 wrote on Wed Oct 20, 2021 10:12pm:

We are led to believe by the media non resident retirees are selling up. 

Is this true of La Zenia, we were thinking of selling our second home in andalusia and moving to La Zenia. We would be non resident retirees also. 

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Any replies from retired non residents how your coping with 90/180, or how you now feel about Spain, Thank you I advance. 

oadbyman wrote on Tue Oct 26, 2021 2:03am:

Trotter

There is not one, you have to register in the country if over 90 days legally, even as an EU citizen.

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suej6 there are parts of the EU that are not in Schengen area, but they are Ireland and eastern Europe

Care4 The question currently being asked is if someone bought a property prior to Brexit is the 90/180 rule an infringement of their right to enjoy their property without hindrance. - cannot see that, the EU did not change the situation, the British people made the choice and you have to live with that

All UK citizens had time to become legally resident in Spain between 2016 and the so called "Independence day 1/1/21", look like cast adrift day and now the UK is calling on citizens they did not want to come back and drive lorries, kill pigs, serve beer and food, man hospitals etc,  pich crops, this after 10 months.

Time will tell is it was good or bad for UK, but people who backed leaving with money have made money others have got residence in EU (Lawson) while saying leave.

John 52 wrote on Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:00pm:

The last time I looked Cyprus which is not in the Schengen agreement is not in Eastern Europe