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Tax on Pensions

Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2023 3:38am
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Shakingallover

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Hello good people. 

I am moving over to live early next year and I'm looking for advice on paying tax on my pension. 

I will have an Irish state pension and a small German pension.

At present I pay tax on my Irish pension to the Irish Revenue Commissioners. And I pay tax on my German pension to the German authorities. (Apparently this is an agreement with the Irish)

Can anyone who receives overseas pensions please advise to whom they pay their taxes please. I take it Irish pension taxes are paid to Spanish authorities. Is anybody in receipt of German pension that can advise me please?

I will be contacting my solicitors financial department to advise. But I was hoping for a heads up to prepare in advance.

Also, is Spanish tax high on pensions? I won't be on a kings ransom .. so hopefully they leave me enough to pay my electric bill's!

Thank you for any advice.

John123456

Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2023 7:34am

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Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2023 7:34am

There are what is known as double taxation agreements between Spain and Ireland and Spain and Germany (see links at the end of this script). Basically what this means is a deal has been made between Spain and a foreign country that aims to help the foreigner in the Spanish territory avoid paying twice the same tax already generated and paid at source.

https://www.dfa.ie/irish-embassy/spain/our-services/new-to-spain/tax-in-spain/#:~:text=There%20is%20a%20double%20taxation,regional%20governments%20and%20local%20municipalities

https://sede.agenciatributaria.gob.es/Sede/en_gb/ayuda/manuales-videos-folletos/folletos/folletos-residentes-rentas-extranjeras/alemania.html

The following links will provide you with lots of information on taxable income and the current rates of tax in Spain:

https://sede.agenciatributaria.gob.es/Sede/en_gb/ciudadanos-familias-personas-discapacidad/residentes-rentas-procedentes-extranjero/obtencion-pensiones-procedentes-otro-pais.html

https://costaluzlawyers.es/blog/paying-income-tax-on-foreign-pensions-in-spain/#:~:text=In%20Spain%2C%20income%20tax%20is,12%2C451%20%E2%80%93%20%E2%82%AC20%2C200%3A%2024%25

https://balcellsgroup.com/taxes-on-pensions/

Stevec2x

Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2023 11:06am

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Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2023 11:06am

Hi 

I can't give a complete answer, but I can tell you my situation.

I have a UK personal pension fund and take a monthly income which I have deliberately set at just below the threshold for paying income tax in Spain (which is around €12k a year (for me at least - the tax system is complicated and can vary depending on individual circumstances)).

This is enough for me, since my partner has more or less the same income - meaning that neither of us pays any tax. This also has the knock-on effect of giving us free prescriptions.

There are plenty of retired Germans in the area - it shouldn't take long for you to meet some who can help.

Hope this helps!

Cheers

Steve

marcliff

Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2023 11:44am

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Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2023 11:44am

As a resident in Spain you will be taxed on your worldwide income which includes pensions. In UK you complete a Spanish personal tax form (FD9) which tells the HMRC not to levy tax on your income. I assume there will be a similar system to Germany.

The only pensions that remain taxed in your previous countries are those classed as government pensions (or in UK Crown pensions) which include Armed Forces, Police, Civil Service etc. These are declared, but not taxed, in Spain and used to assess the level of tax you pay. They do not cover state pensions or, as we used to call it, the Old Age Pension.

Whichever way, you will end up paying tax twice for a period of time in your home country and in Spain but your home country will reimburse you the tax paid eventually. 

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Pauline39

Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2023 2:56pm

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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2023 2:56pm

Shakingallover wrote on Wed Nov 29, 2023 3:38am:

Hello good people. 

I am moving over to live early next year and I'm looking for advice on paying tax on my pension. 

I will have an Irish state pension and a small German pension.

At present I pay tax on my Irish pension to the Irish Revenue Commissioners. And I pay tax on my German pension to the German authorities. (Apparently this is an agreement with the Irish)

Can anyone who receives overseas pensions please advise to whom they pay their taxes please. I take it Irish pension taxes are paid to Spanish authorities. Is anybody in receipt of German pension that can advise me please?

I will be contacting my solicitors financial department to advise. But I was hoping for a heads up to prepare in advance.

Also, is Spanish tax high on pensions? I won't be on a kings ransom .. so hopefully they leave me enough to pay my electric bill's!

Thank you for any advice.

Hi, I receive a small German state pension every month.  After communicating my change of address to the German pension people, they now write to me each year enclosing a form which has to be stamped and signed by an official Spanish notary each year to prove that I'm still alive.

I pay tax on this German pension to Germany each year.  I pay it online to the German pension service for overseas residents with a debit or credit card.

https://www.finanzamt-rente-im-ausland.de/en/pay-online/ 

Shakingallover

Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2023 6:43pm

Shakingallover

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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2023 6:43pm

Pauline39 wrote on Thu Nov 30, 2023 2:56pm:

Hi, I receive a small German state pension every month.  After communicating my change of address to the German pension people, they now write to me each year enclosing a form which has to be stamped and signed by an official Spanish notary each year to prove that I'm still alive.

I pay tax on this German pension to Germany each year.  I pay it online to the German pension service for overseas residents with a debit or credit card....

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https://www.finanzamt-rente-im-ausland.de/en/pay-online/ 

Hello Pauline. Thank  you for your reply. I too receive the annual 'proof of life' form in Ireland and pay my tax on the German pension to the German authorities. I just wondered if it was a different system in Spain.

May I ask, do you have to declare your German pension to the Spanish tax people? I don't see the point if you are paying directly to Germany. 

Pauline39

Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:58pm

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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:58pm

Shakingallover wrote on Thu Nov 30, 2023 6:43pm:

Hello Pauline. Thank  you for your reply. I too receive the annual 'proof of life' form in Ireland and pay my tax on the German pension to the German authorities. I just wondered if it was a different system in Spain.

May I ask, do you have to declare your German pension to the Spanish tax people? I don't see the point if you are paying directly to Germany. ...

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Well, yes, we have to declare all income that we receive annually, whatever the source.   I guess you would submit.your proof that you've paid your German tax to your Spanish asesor or whoever does your Spanish tax return for you.

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