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Ridiculous Residencia!!

Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:12am
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Jamie3000

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I want to share my experience for the benefit of others who may be in a similar situation in the future. Firstly, I will give a little background information.

I am British and my wife is from the Philippines. We lived in the Philippines together for 5 years and we married there 6 years ago. We moved from the Philippines to Cyprus in 2013 and lived there for the last 5 years and we were 'Residents' in Cyprus during that time. We moved to Spain in December last year and we have bought our own home here that we own jointly. We obtained our NIE numbers, our Padron, and Private Health Insurance (as we are both under retirement age) and we made appointments for our Residencia. I had to apply for my Residencia first, as my wife is a Non-EU citizen her application must include a copy of her EU spouses Spanish Residence card. I obtained my Residence card last Wednesday and my wife had her appointment for Residencia yesterday (22nd March). We submitted her application with her NIE, Padron, Health Ins, Proof of Pension Income (€24,000 p.a.), Spanish Bank Statements for last 3 months (€40,000), Copy of Title Deeds for our home, a Certified Copy of our Marriage Certificate and a copy of my Residence Card.

My wifes' application for Residence was DECLINED.

The reason given ..... Because our Marriage Certificate is MORE THAN 6 MONTHS OLD. Obviously, it's more than 6 months old, because we were married in 2013. They explained that it is their policy not to accept a Marriage Certificate more than 6 months old. This is RIDICULOUS. We have a Marriage Cert. that is a 'Certified Legal Document'. I asked for a reason why it was not accepted and the woman told me, '' Because, you may be divorced and using an old Marriage Certificate to obtain Residency for your ex-wife '' .... Really ?? .. . '' I've brought my ex-wife to Spain with me and bought her a house??'' Can you imagine them saying this to a British couple?? but, somehow it is OK to say it to me because my wife is a Filipina??? 

I've checked and double checked all the available information on both the Spanish Gov. Websites and the EU Law websites and there is no mention of marriage certificates having to be less than 6 months old. They only state that it must be a Certified Marriage Certificate. This seems to be something that they have 'simply made up' themselves and is 'unlawful'. 

The final outcome is that we have to re-submit my wifes' application with a new Marriage Cert. less than 6 months old, which would mean travelling to the town in the Philippines where we were married and obtaining a 'duplicate' with a new date of issue. Oh....and they have only given us TWO WEEKS in which to do this. To say that I am 'livid' is an understatement. Welcome to Spain!!

killjoy

Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 12:38pm

killjoy

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Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 12:38pm

This will not help you but isn't less interesting. I have a German passport and married 1967 a Spanish woman in Spain where I was living then (since 1963). When our children were old enough to attend school, we decided to move to  Germany for their education. When applying for residence for my wife I was told that she would be treated as an alien as the Spanish marriage certificate was not acceptable. The only way to bypass restrictions for aliens would be to marry again in Germany and ADOPT OUR CHILDREN. Good enough for saying definitely farewell. On the contrary, In Spain as an alien married to a Spanish subject I had privileges like unlimited residence and working permits (automatically renewed). Occasionally I was even offered Spanish citizenship.

Costa Caretaking

Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 4:58pm

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Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 4:58pm

Hi, I do understand your frustration and we all know that Spanish adore their paperwork, but it is not xenophobic or racially prejudiced.  We are a British married couple, and when we applied for autonomo, residency etc, we had to get a new marriage certificate, because the marriage certificate was (obviously) older than 6 months old.  I applied online and surprisingly received a copy back quickly from the UK.  There was no time limit to this, but just meant we had to wait for this final piece of the jigsaw, to be legal.  Hopefully, the Phillipine authorities can help.  

Spain can be frustrating but is really worth it.  You just need a very sharp pair of scissors, to cut through the bureaucracy  😊

Costa Caretaking

Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:13pm

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Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:13pm

No, ours was a renewed Marriage Certificate in English. 

 I believe the authorities accept the language of origin.

Costa Caretaking

Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:49pm

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Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:49pm

Yes, I understand your personal situation, but I think this is irrelevant for the  OP.  By the way, I do speak Spanish 😊

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Jamie3000

Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:48pm

Jamie3000

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Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:48pm

As I already have my Residence card in Spain, my wife is applying for Residence as a Non-EU spouse of an EU resident in Spain. We submitted our original certified Marriage certificate and a Cert. of Authenticity from the Philippines dept. of Foreign affairs. We also submitted a Spanish translation of both documents. But, they are insisting that the Marriage Cert. should be less than 6 months old. This would mean obtaining a duplicate Marriage Cert, from the Philippines. 

My argument is that there is nothing written on this matter. When we attended at the Immigration Dept. they were unable to provide any written proof of this '6 month' rule. The Spanish Gov website simply says we have to submit a ''Certified Marriage Certificate'', with no mention of the Certificate having to be less than 6 months old, so how can they insist on this when it doesn't appear anywhere on their Gov. info? My wife already has Residency in Cyprus valid until 2023 and our Marriage Certificate was accepted there without question. To add insult to injury, my wife also speaks fluent Spanish, it's her 2nd language. 

Jamie3000

Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:48pm

Jamie3000

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Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:48pm

As I already have my Residence card in Spain, my wife is applying for Residence as a Non-EU spouse of an EU resident in Spain. We submitted our original certified Marriage certificate and a Cert. of Authenticity from the Philippines dept. of Foreign affairs. We also submitted a Spanish translation of both documents. But, they are insisting that the Marriage Cert. should be less than 6 months old. This would mean obtaining a duplicate Marriage Cert, from the Philippines. 

My argument is that there is nothing written on this matter. When we attended at the Immigration Dept. they were unable to provide any written proof of this '6 month' rule. The Spanish Gov website simply says we have to submit a ''Certified Marriage Certificate'', with no mention of the Certificate having to be less than 6 months old, so how can they insist on this when it doesn't appear anywhere on their Gov. info? My wife already has Residency in Cyprus valid until 2023 and our Marriage Certificate was accepted there without question. To add insult to injury, my wife also speaks fluent Spanish, it's her 2nd language. 

Jamie3000

Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:48pm

Jamie3000

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Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:48pm

As I already have my Residence card in Spain, my wife is applying for Residence as a Non-EU spouse of an EU resident in Spain. We submitted our original certified Marriage certificate and a Cert. of Authenticity from the Philippines dept. of Foreign affairs. We also submitted a Spanish translation of both documents. But, they are insisting that the Marriage Cert. should be less than 6 months old. This would mean obtaining a duplicate Marriage Cert, from the Philippines. 

My argument is that there is nothing written on this matter. When we attended at the Immigration Dept. they were unable to provide any written proof of this '6 month' rule. The Spanish Gov website simply says we have to submit a ''Certified Marriage Certificate'', with no mention of the Certificate having to be less than 6 months old, so how can they insist on this when it doesn't appear anywhere on their Gov. info? My wife already has Residency in Cyprus valid until 2023 and our Marriage Certificate was accepted there without question. To add insult to injury, my wife also speaks fluent Spanish, it's her 2nd language. 

Kenneth

Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:54pm

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Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:54pm

I think that you need to get your marriage certificate, certified here in Spain. Simple as that.

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