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Leafy211

Posted: Sat Jan 9, 2021 9:24pm

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Posted: Sat Jan 9, 2021 9:24pm

Delilah wrote on Sat Jan 9, 2021 9:10pm:

Hi Leafy,

you've mentioned that this is your second tax year so to say. About what time in the year did you buy the property? If you purchased, lets say about the middle of the year, that could also be a reason why the amount is different in regards to the previous year, since you pay tax for the number of...

... days you have owned the property in the year before.

Hey Delilah - were you listening to my thought waves as literally two minutes ago, I wondered the same thing and am just now looking for my receipt for last year?  I did buy mid year, so Im now thinking that might be where the discrepancy lies .. doh!  :-)

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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:15pm

Kimmy11 wrote on Sat Jan 9, 2021 7:59pm:

Good point, Anne, Non-resident tax paid in December 2020 should have been at 19%, with the higher rate of 24% not due until December this year.  Something for Leafy to raise with the tax office or her advisor......🤔

Hi Kimmy11,

By saying that "Non-resident tax paid in December 2020 should have been at 19%, with the higher rate of 24% , not due until December this year" you are implying that the tax rate for the tax year 2020  (payable in December 2021) is 24%, which is not my understanding of what Anne1939 is saying in her post.

It seems to me that the rate for the tax year 2020 is still 19%, increasing to 24% for the tax year 2021, not due until December 2022, unless I am wrong.

A clarification would be much appreciated. Thank you in advance.

Stay safe.

Dianem62

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:57am

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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:57am

Anne1939 wrote on Sat Jan 9, 2021 3:09pm:

Hi it all depends on the the rate used. In 2015 my rate changed from 1.1% to 2% due to the fact  my property’s Catastral Value hadn’t been revised in the previous 10 years. 

I’d have a word with whoever prepared your Non Resident Tax return to clarify the % rate used. If you have your Suma Bill to hand for your property it will tell you the last time your Catastral Value was revised. 
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Mine was doubled too...for the same reason

Kimmy11

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:40pm

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Happy2dance wrote on Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:15pm:

Hi Kimmy11,

By saying that "Non-resident tax paid in December 2020 should have been at 19%, with the higher rate of 24% , not due until December this year" you are implying that the tax rate for the tax year 2020  (payable in December 2021) is 24%, which is not my understanding of what Anne1939 is sayin...

...g in her post.

It seems to me that the rate for the tax year 2020 is still 19%, increasing to 24% for the tax year 2021, not due until December 2022, unless I am wrong.

A clarification would be much appreciated. Thank you in advance.

Stay safe.

Hi Happy2Dance,

I did clarify it - in my post that you quoted.  Unless there's something else you're asking?

What I'm still unsure of, is whether Leafy and subsequently Dianem62, are talking about Non-resident tax, as per the title of the thread, or IBI (Council Tax)? 🤔

Kind regards,

Kim

Leafy211

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:51pm

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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:51pm

Kimmy11 wrote on Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:40pm:

Hi Happy2Dance,

I did clarify it - in my post that you quoted.  Unless there's something else you're asking?

What I'm still unsure of, is whether Leafy and subsequently Dianem62, are talking about Non-resident tax, as per the title of the thread, or IBI (Council Tax)? 🤔

Kind regards,

Kim

For me, as per my response in the posting to you, Kimmy, on Sat Jan 9, 2021 3:18pm..

it was indeed the imputed tax you had mentioned.

cheers

Louise

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Happy2dance

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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:21pm

Kimmy11 wrote on Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:40pm:

Hi Happy2Dance,

I did clarify it - in my post that you quoted.  Unless there's something else you're asking?

What I'm still unsure of, is whether Leafy and subsequently Dianem62, are talking about Non-resident tax, as per the title of the thread, or IBI (Council Tax)? 🤔

Kind regards,

Kim

Hello Kimmy11,

Regarding the non Resident Tax (imputed tax), by saying "...with the higher rate of 24%, not due until December this year", did you mean the higher rate of 24 % applies to a 2020 tax year, which is due in December 2021?

Thank you

Reg

Kimmy11

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:06pm

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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:06pm

Hi Reg,

The higher tax of 24% should be applicable to UK citizens with effect from 1 January 2021, as that's the date we became Third Country Nationals and to which the higher rate applies.  Non-resident tax is paid a year in arrears, so I would expect Non-resident tax due for payment by the end of this year,  in respect of 2020, to be charged at the EU citizen rate of 19%.  

However, Leafy and Diane's posts suggest they have already been charged the higher rate, as they say their tax has increased by more than 50%.  If that is the case, it suggests that the Spanish tax office is using the UK's official Brexit date of January 2020 as the point from which the new rate applies, but I still wouldn'texpect them to receive a tax bill at that rate until December 2021🤔

Although I'm Resident in Spain, I can ask my tax advisor about this, but I would hope that Non-residents are already asking the question - I would be! 😉

Kind regards 

Kim 

Dianem62

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:17pm

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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:17pm

Kimmy11 wrote on Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:06pm:

Hi Reg,

The higher tax of 24% should be applicable to UK citizens with effect from 1 January 2021, as that's the date we became Third Country Nationals and to which the higher rate applies.  Non-resident tax is paid a year in arrears, so I would expect Non-resident tax due for payment by the end of ...

...this year,  in respect of 2020, to be charged at the EU citizen rate of 19%.  

However, Leafy and Diane's posts suggest they have already been charged the higher rate, as they say their tax has increased by more than 50%.  If that is the case, it suggests that the Spanish tax office is using the UK's official Brexit date of January 2020 as the point from which the new rate applies, but I still wouldn'texpect them to receive a tax bill at that rate until December 2021🤔

Although I'm Resident in Spain, I can ask my tax advisor about this, but I would hope that Non-residents are already asking the question - I would be! 😉

Kind regards 

Kim 

Hi, when I questioned it with my lawyer she said it was because of when the property was re-valued???(or something to do with valuation)  Not Brexit...my first year was 16 euros...(part year), then the next year 45 euros (full year) and this year 112 euros......

Leafy211

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:35pm

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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:35pm

Kimmy11 wrote on Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:06pm:

Hi Reg,

The higher tax of 24% should be applicable to UK citizens with effect from 1 January 2021, as that's the date we became Third Country Nationals and to which the higher rate applies.  Non-resident tax is paid a year in arrears, so I would expect Non-resident tax due for payment by the end of ...

...this year,  in respect of 2020, to be charged at the EU citizen rate of 19%.  

However, Leafy and Diane's posts suggest they have already been charged the higher rate, as they say their tax has increased by more than 50%.  If that is the case, it suggests that the Spanish tax office is using the UK's official Brexit date of January 2020 as the point from which the new rate applies, but I still wouldn'texpect them to receive a tax bill at that rate until December 2021🤔

Although I'm Resident in Spain, I can ask my tax advisor about this, but I would hope that Non-residents are already asking the question - I would be! 😉

Kind regards 

Kim 

Just for clarification, my increase wasnt anything to do with Brexit.  It was due to only paying a proportion last year.

Cheers.

Kimmy11

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:48pm

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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:48pm

Thanks Diane.  

So as I understand it, this must be your Non-resident tax for 2020 (not IBI), which would have been payable by December 2020 and the increase is due to a revaluation of the cadastral value of your property, rather than an increase in the tax rate because of Brexit.  If you and Leafy have owned your properties for only 1 or 2 years and they hadn't been revalued in the 10 years prior to you owning them, your purchase of the property would have triggered the revaluation.

Unfortunately, this means you'll see a further increase in your bill, once the prevailing tax rate increases from 19% to 24% to take account of your status changing from EU citizen to TCN.  Out of interest, I will ask my tax advisors from which date the Agencia Tributaria will be applying the higher tax rate of 24% - I would expect it to apply from 1 January 2021 and so you would see it in your December 2022 tax bill, but I'll get a definitive response and update this thread.

Kind regards,

Kim

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