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Entering other countries via car

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:58am
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Martyn1986

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Hiya I would just like to share something that came to mind.

Let me start off by saying I am a legal resident but I realised something the other day during a conversation. 

A few people on here have often asked about the 90 day rule and how it works whilst travelling to other European countries. Since Brexit I have actually driven through 4 countries Portugal, Spain, Italy and Switzerland. I have never even once needed a passport and I haven't even been stopped. In fact going into Portugal there wasn't even a border crossing just a big sign welcome saying welcome to Portugal. 

So basically if someone wanted to travel for a few months, they could actually fly to somewhere in Europe, then drive through each country without any consequences (in theory) and fly back to the UK from another country?

I'm not the only one who has experienced this, when I talking about it to my friend we actually thought it was more funny that we could travel Europe and yet going back to the UK is when we need a passport 🤦🤦🤦🤦

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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2024 11:18am

Yes, thats right. Shengen is open to travel with no passport checks. There are occasional restrictions due to high level of illegal immigration. 

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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2024 11:21am

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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2024 11:21am

True, once you are in the Schengen area practically there is little to prevent anyone doing as you say, the problem comes however when you leave as your passport will have been stamped on entry and if the date of your departure is more than 90 days later then you will be branded an overstayer and potentially banned from entering the Schengen area for up to 3 years.

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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2024 11:38am

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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2024 11:38am

As Darro says, the 90 days is in Schengen in total. Fly to France and you are in the Schengen area so are free to go to any other Schengen country with no passport or even border checks. But that 90 days is valid for all of Schengen so, even if you left from say Italy, the date you entered France would count for the 90 days even if you depart from another country. 

And you would have to show your passport on entering France and on departing Italy.

Martyn1986

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2024 11:42am

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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2024 11:42am

Darro wrote on Wed Feb 14, 2024 11:21am:

True, once you are in the Schengen area practically there is little to prevent anyone doing as you say, the problem comes however when you leave as your passport will have been stamped on entry and if the date of your departure is more than 90 days later then you will be branded an overstayer and...

... potentially banned from entering the Schengen area for up to 3 years.

I agree and I only went to 4 countries. Wonder what would happen though just for example, you drove from a European country or a Schengen country to a non European/Schengen country and flew back from there? Because in theory (according to the passport) you're still in Europe? Or would that not work? Its a possible loophole for people or a boobytrap

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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2024 11:44am

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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2024 11:44am

marcliff wrote on Wed Feb 14, 2024 11:38am:

As Darro says, the 90 days is in Schengen in total. Fly to France and you are in the Schengen area so are free to go to any other Schengen country with no passport or even border checks. But that 90 days is valid for all of Schengen so, even if you left from say Italy, the date you entered France...

... would count for the 90 days even if you depart from another country. 

And you would have to show your passport on entering France and on departing Italy.

They should still check though because not everyone is entitled to be in that country or they may have already overstayed and can continue to do so because border control hasn't checked their details 

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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2024 1:17pm

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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2024 1:17pm

Martyn1986 wrote on Wed Feb 14, 2024 11:42am:

I agree and I only went to 4 countries. Wonder what would happen though just for example, you drove from a European country or a Schengen country to a non European/Schengen country and flew back from there? Because in theory (according to the passport) you're still in Europe? Or would that n...

...ot work? Its a possible loophole for people or a boobytrap

When you drive from a Schengen country into a non-Schengen country you passport will (or should) be stamped, as you are exiting the Schengen area. Same as flying or travelling by boat. So say for example you drive to the UK, stamped out at Calais, fly back to Alicante, stamped back in at the airport.

 Being in the schengen zone gives the right to travel around a borderfree zone of EU schengen countries, at least in theory.

Rgds,

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John123456

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2024 1:21pm

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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2024 1:21pm

A little light reading for anyone who is interested:

https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/policies/schengen-borders-and-visa/schengen-area_en

Martyn1986

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2024 2:17pm

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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2024 2:17pm

aitchc1401 wrote on Wed Feb 14, 2024 1:17pm:

When you drive from a Schengen country into a non-Schengen country you passport will (or should) be stamped, as you are exiting the Schengen area. Same as flying or travelling by boat. So say for example you drive to the UK, stamped out at Calais, fly back to Alicante, stamped back in at the...

... airport.

 Being in the schengen zone gives the right to travel around a borderfree zone of EU schengen countries, at least in theory.

Rgds,

Aitch.

Ah, so you would still get done when leaving. 

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