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ironwheels54

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 10:00am

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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 10:00am

garylamata wrote on Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:22pm:

The thing about such them and us attitudes could lead to tit for tat. I mean why should British taxpayers - living in UK and paying UK taxes feel compassion for ex-pats retired in Spain? You might say because you have paid into the UK system so are entitled to which I would agree but this is 2020...

... and we live in strange times thus when and if the UK govenment deems state pensions can only be paid to those resident in the UK do you expect pity from struggling British taxpayers?

Same here. I am a 2nd homeowner not a holidaymaker. I would now be in Spain and spending a lot. As it is I am paying Suma, block fees, car tax and other taxes which I am not beneffiting from. If you feel that's OK because I am not deemed resident then this divide in your mind will really not help anyone's situation in the long term. Spain does not have a magic money tree. Current news is both Poland and Hungary are seriously thinking of leaving the EU. Germany being the only serious giver to EU coffers will not put up with Spain's lack of fiscal crassness for too long.

Best.............G

I have paid into the British tax system since I was 15 yrs old ( when I left school ) and luckily for me was never out of work so if the British government tried to stop my pension by virtue of where I want to live I would take them to court. A pension is not theirs to stop it is something that you and hopefully your employer have paid into all of your working life, it isnt a benefit.

Gemily1

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:02am

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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:02am

garylamata wrote on Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:22pm:

The thing about such them and us attitudes could lead to tit for tat. I mean why should British taxpayers - living in UK and paying UK taxes feel compassion for ex-pats retired in Spain? You might say because you have paid into the UK system so are entitled to which I would agree but this is 2020...

... and we live in strange times thus when and if the UK govenment deems state pensions can only be paid to those resident in the UK do you expect pity from struggling British taxpayers?

Same here. I am a 2nd homeowner not a holidaymaker. I would now be in Spain and spending a lot. As it is I am paying Suma, block fees, car tax and other taxes which I am not beneffiting from. If you feel that's OK because I am not deemed resident then this divide in your mind will really not help anyone's situation in the long term. Spain does not have a magic money tree. Current news is both Poland and Hungary are seriously thinking of leaving the EU. Germany being the only serious giver to EU coffers will not put up with Spain's lack of fiscal crassness for too long.

Best.............G

We certainly live in difficult times, however for people with holiday homes wether they have them abroad or in the UK you still have to pay some sort of suma/ council tax, site fees standing orders for gas electricity etc, and if the norm is you only use them for one or two months of the year you don’t get a rebate on fees paid. Having said that I do sympathise with the those wanting to get away and if it can be done safely then I would do so.

Kevin60

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:08pm

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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:08pm

In Pinner ( London) the local Chemist is charging £120 ! 
great living in London isn’t it getting ripped off just for having the privilege of living here ( that’s a laugh)

garylamata

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:12pm

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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:12pm

ironwheels54 wrote on Sun Nov 22, 2020 10:00am:

I have paid into the British tax system since I was 15 yrs old ( when I left school ) and luckily for me was never out of work so if the British government tried to stop my pension by virtue of where I want to live I would take them to court. A pension is not theirs to stop it is something that y...

...ou and hopefully your employer have paid into all of your working life, it isnt a benefit.

I totally agree but as I said we live in funny times.The UK will be out of the EU so you would need togo up to the UK Supreme Court - any EU courts would be of no use.

My point is once you begin to finger point atex-UK residents vs. holidaymakers/2nd home owners you might get the finger pointed back at you.

Regards

G

elinspain

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:16pm

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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:16pm

Kevin60 wrote on Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:08pm:

In Pinner ( London) the local Chemist is charging £120 ! 
great living in London isn’t it getting ripped off just for having the privilege of living here ( that’s a laugh)

Hello

Boots the Chemist are charging the same in their branches, it seems about the  normal price  that Ive seen.

Cheers

Elinspain

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L181SKY

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:01pm

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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:01pm

Chris67 wrote on Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:46pm:

In reply to Ellispain, can l respectfully say that if u were in our position where you had a second home in Spain that u could not get too and was paying taxes, suma and community fees, that you would also be very frustrated!! So your opinion of their being other Christmas’s really does not cut...

... it. We were asking how we could be expected to get a COVID test over the Xmas period and really did not ask for an opinion from someone who is living there and does not really care about our plight, or others owing second homes in a similar position.

Well said.   I’m sick of the “Holier than thou “ attitude of residents on here. 

garylamata

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:19pm

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Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:19pm

Gemily1 wrote on Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:02am:

We certainly live in difficult times, however for people with holiday homes wether they have them abroad or in the UK you still have to pay some sort of suma/ council tax, site fees standing orders for gas electricity etc, and if the norm is you only use them for one or two months of the year you...

... don’t get a rebate on fees paid. Having said that I do sympathise with the those wanting to get away and if it can be done safely then I would do so.

Yes I realise the situation on standing orders and paying fees/taxes whilst I am not getting any use from my (2nd) home in Spain. I have owned for a few years now and have paid many thousands of Euros. I never mentioned nor asked for a rebate but now you mention it it would be a fair system!

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Terryoneone

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:40am

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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:40am

elinspain wrote on Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:43pm:

Hello,

I think, thankfully that the spanish government are making saving lives a priority over saving tourism/business's at this moment  and in my opinion that is exactly how I want it to be. There is always another Christmas & New Year..... but not another life !!

I think many people who live here would agree with me, but people who want to come for a holiday visit won't!

Cheers

Elinspain

I don’t think the op was trying to dodge the test merely that his flight was awkward to satisfy the 72hrs limits. In the uk you have to pay for this test because the nhs won’t do it. Frankly I agree with that , however some of the firms providing these test are charging hefty prices , which needs looking into. 

Your comment was off opic which seems to be the norm on here.

Good luck to all able to travel both to and from Spain this Christmas, the one thing you can be sure of is that anyone landing in Spain from the uk will have been tested unlike some already there with there holier than thou attitude. 

Alic65

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:44am

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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:44am

elinspain wrote on Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:09pm:

Hello

You also asked if anyone had any thoughts about the harm  being done to the spanish tourist sector.....I  did have thoughts, & I posted them.

You did not specify who you wanted  replies from, just people who sympathised I suppose, hence my last paragraph  .....          "I think many people who live here would agree with me, but people who want to come for a holiday visit won't!"

Cheers

Elinspain

Hi Chris 

I am a second home owner in Spain and can genuinely feel your pain. We've had 4 trips cancelled this year with massive disappointment to us and our children. 

We have paid all our urbanisation fees, sums, internet, solicitors fees and maintenance costs aswell like you and massively frustrated at not being able to get there.

Yes, obvious that our lives matter more and I'm sure your conscious of that so Eleninspain needn't have been so flippant in that respect.  However it is difficult getting the tests done 72 hours prior to entering Spain which is why weve totally written off all of this year and have rebooked for next Easter.  Think we will still have problems even then. Bearing in mind also that without us owning properties and paying in to the system expects there would see a totally different side of permanent living in Spain. We have made Spain what it is economically over many years.  I used to live there myself for many years and took my hat off to all second holiday home owners and their contributions in to Spain, enabling the Spanish to float and not sink.

Hope you can successfully resolve your situation but stay safe whilst doing so.

Gemily1

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:54am

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Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:54am

garylamata wrote on Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:19pm:

Yes I realise the situation on standing orders and paying fees/taxes whilst I am not getting any use from my (2nd) home in Spain. I have owned for a few years now and have paid many thousands of Euros. I never mentioned nor asked for a rebate but now you mention it it would be a fair system!

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It would be nice to get a rebate for the weeks you dont use your holiday home, but it is for some as stated a holiday home and wether you use it for two months or six months of the year, there are some weeks or months you wouldnt normally use it and in normal times you wouldnt expect any form or rebate for that time its empty and it doesnt matter what country it's in, but as I've said if it was me and I could travel safely I would. Keep safe everyone.

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