POLL: What would you vote in a new Brexit referendum? - Page 11

Hopefully Jim someone will tell us who is correct but at present I still think my statement was correct. The words European Union were not mentioned.

Ray

Firstly, i like millions who voted, are not interested in all the legalese quotes and high court rulings etc etc.

We had a vote and we had a result which should be upheld as that is what we democratically voted for.

The rich remainers is my view on all the MP,s who have done their utmost to delay and frustrate this vote result, and you can GUARANTEE that all of these will have a vested financial interest in a no Brexit.

Maybe wrong, but in my view, the whole delay is down to rich members of parliament looking after no1 and not implenenting what their constituents voted for.

With ref to the rugby world cup, it was an example only of a result i didnt like, as it was for millions of us, yet it was a result that we cannot change just because we dont like it.

How can you possibly compare that to a referendum just shows how remainers just see what they wish to see and keep banging their drum, YET NOBODY IS INTERESTED, apart from other losers who cannot accept a defeat.

As for your post, only a pro remain zealot could come up with obscure rubbish that ONLY a pro remainer could.

You lost, get over it and get used to it.

In a separate thread, Andrew65 has asked three times for someone who voted for the UK to leave the EU, to post the benefits of doing so.  Perhaps you, Ray, and Shawnw could respond on that specific point?

Many thanks,

Kim

OK, John, I agree you're correct. I should have said that in 1975 there was a democratic vote as to whether or not we wished to be in Europe.

All I'm trying to do is to refute those who say that once a referendum has been held, there should never be another similar referendum on the same topic.

I think Davebev have put the topic of democratic votes very nicely.

I also think that those who are singing he democratic votes song would be singing a different tune if another vote suited them.

Agree come on don't keep it secret!

Shawnw,

As your post demonstrates that you believe your opinion is more valid than the facts quoted by DaveBev1, please would you tell me, what are the benefits of the UK leaving the EU?

Many thanks,

Kim

I must admit, my main issues at the time were immigration issues and the way we seemed to just fund thousands of peoples lives, from all over the world, through all sorts of benefits without looking after our own.

This from someone once again moing to Spain may be hypocritical, but i have always worked for myself and never relied on handouts yet the UK is a soft touch for so many.

Since the vote a friend of mine has done some research on the EU and their goings on, these things may be an eye opener,,,

I did not know more than 10,000 EU officials get paid more than our Prime Minister.
I did not know that, unlike the UK, 18 countries get more back from the EU than they put in.
I did not know that the EU occupies over 45 buildings - 2 of which were purpose built monuments of grandeur and are the largest buildings in Europe.
I did not know that the EU Parliament spends 150 million euros a year moving to Strasbourg every month for 4 days committee meetings - and any attempt to stop this madness is vetoed by France.
I did not know that the EU has had a huge luxury shopping Mall built in Brussels for exclusive use of EU employees.
I did not know that every day queues of chauffeur driven cars, with their engines running, wait outside EU establishments while their occupants go in, sign in for their attendance allowance and expenses, then come straight back out and are driven away.
I did not know that many of them (like the Kinnocks) end up as millionaires as a reward for looking the other way!
I did not know that Clegg was lying when he mocked Nigel Farage for saying that an EU army was being planned - and Brussels said all along that it would NEVER happen.
I did not know that the EU had been financing the mass movement of industries from UK to mainland Europe.
I did not know that every member of the EU Council has to swear an Oath of Allegiance to the EU - so they are not a country's representative to the EU. They are the EU's representative to the country!

I could go on and on but suffice it to say that I have never for a moment doubted the correctness of my decision but I am now more sure than ever.

No Problem born and-bred Brummy non resident of Spain.no problems trading with Europe but totally against non Elected people making rules for my country allowing freedom of movement of people from one country to the next. People who’s children have never been to the U.K. being paid benefits from a system they have never paid into.the likes of Poland Bulgaria Romania are allowed in because Their Labour is cheap.i am fed up watching a Romania man in his 70s pushing a bath through our shopping centre collecting scrap metal followed by his wife begging for money. What can they offer the U.K.but mostly what annoys me are the Brits who have residency in Spain (who incidentally are long term holiday makers) won’t give up their British Passports and want a say in what is happening 1000miles away in the U.K. and not interested in the housing shortages for our young people Doctors appointments etc.but think they should have a say.

You did ask.

Ray.

My opinion is just that, an opinion, but when other posters just start tearing you down with stupid arguments should we not reply.

Wether i voted leave or remain, a result is a result.

So Shawnw, you think legalities don't matter?  Do you ignore all laws or just the ones you don't like?  I am no 'zealot', I just respect the law, nothing radical or zealous about that.  

The MPs are not all rich elites, most do not have any personal financial interest in the EU, but many do have a regard and understanding of the complexities of brexit, and they have been trying to deliver a workable and legal version of brexit for the last three and half years - they just can't find a version that is acceptable/workable to a majority of MPs.  There are currently two options available and both have been rejected by Parliament despite being what our own government have requested.  Farage claims it isn't brexit, Johnson claims it is brexit and frankly no one can agree what brexit should or shouldn't look like. The truth is that in 2016 people gave our (then) government a preference (not a mandate) for leaving the EU in an unspecified manner.  A50 states that a country can leave the EU only in line with its own Constitution.  Under the UK constitution, as confirmed by the independent Supreme Court - you know those experts in the field of law that you seem to think doesn't matter - Parliament is sovereign and therefore it is Parliament alone that must decide and agree the terms under which we leave.  Maybe a new mix of MPs will agree an exit agreement, maybe they wont, but we will all have to accept whatever our Parliament decides.

As yet none of us have lost anything - we all will once brexit happens, of course.