Dan Wootton LBC radio interview with Denise Welch on covid - Page 2

 jack it seems most normal thinking people are  realising  something is very wrong with what's gone on !! Will we ever get the truth no I very much doubt it but be rest assured the very special elite few will be making an unthinkable amount of money !! The vast majority of people who have sadly died are people with underlying health issues many many millions more will die world wide of flu this winter will this be daily drip fed news untill next spring ? No it won't as not enough fear factor as we are use to flu's coughs and colds ! So give your head a wobble mate try looking at true facts so I will refer you to Denise Welch video, watch it, it's just a different opinion not conspiracy or people lying!! It's facts !!    

Thanks, Ray, I was beginning to think this whole forum was populated soley by the tin foil helmet boys. I'm surprised the alien lizard invaders haven't put in an appearance yet.

Anyway, to all the fruitloops on here,  have a nice day and don't forget your daily slug of Dettol. Cheerio!

That has to be jack signing off with name calling!! easier to sign off after once again showing a lack of manners to what is just discussion !!

The reverse is true.
We should only be able to spot the real experts.
But that requires a little more talent.

OK so some facts:

Between Mar & Jun this year, when Covid-19 was peaking, the UK experienced 65,000 excess deaths according to the ONS (e.g. above the rolling 5yr average). That equates to an extra ~730 deaths per day; 60% more than cancer and 5x the annual deaths from influenza. Like cancer & influenza, Covid-19 mortality primarily occurs amongst older people.

Following lockdown Infection rates dropped and the death rate returned to the average. However since restrictions have been eased infection rates are risen, mostly among young people, though mortality rates appear significantly lower than in Mar-Jun.

There is no data available yet to explain this reduction in mortality, but it may suggest the virus may be becoming less virulent? This might be due to mutation, weather, age profile, preventative measures, only time will tell. It is also unclear if this profile will continue into winter or rise as the weather worsens and people head in doors. In any event, the UK SAGE group predicts a "reasonable worse case" of a further 85,000 deaths in the UK this winter.

At present there is no vaccine or cure for Covid-19, so survival is almost entirely dependent on the age & physical condition of the patient. 

So the decision as to who's advice you follow is entirely up to you; WHO/SAGE or an actress & DJ.

Interesting and worth reading,another angle different view and  healthy discussion which is probably what our MPs should learn to do and agree a direction when something like this happens as the relentless onslaught of back biting bitching politics and point scoring has wasted so much valuable time when the virus hit. 👍 

When on the route of that separation, we may only theorize, in hind-sight we may in the future encounter an inkling of the truth.

V

Hi Paul,

    As the old saying goes there are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics. 

I think it is better to look at a variety of input and make my own decisions on the value of what they are saying. There are numerous experts and scientist that have widely different views to the WHO, which view is right time will tell. 

  I don't think people should be so dismissive of Denise Walsh and Dan Wooton based if their occupation, this does not mean they do not have valid points.  Dan Wooton is not a DJ he is a talk show host and a executive of the Sun newspaper, but again if he was a DJ does that mean he does not have valid views, though in the clip showing he is mostly just facilitating the discussion..

Rgds,

Aitch

I don't think its helpful to have polarised views on this issue.....the truth probably lies in the middle. People that criticise the responses to the pandemic are not all flat-earthers or conspiracy theorists. Equally it is clear that Covid19 is a highly infectious and potentially dangerous disease. I think the biggest danger comes from the highly political response to the virus. In Scotland for example, Sturgeon is resembling King Canute.....single handedly stopping the inward tide of the virus. It's also clear from the bias that the science is following the politics not the other way round. We've gone from facemasks making no difference to not wearing them being illegal in a space of weeks. Go figure. 

Morning Aitch,

My point about Dan Wooton & Denise Walsh occupation is that neither have any scientific qualifications or knowledge. Their opinion is therefore just that. They are perfectly entitled to it, but it would be useful when contesting the science to include a range of information to support the point being made.

For example Denise quotes recent cancer deaths vs Covid-19 deaths. She fails to mention that cancer isn't a virus and therefore unaffected by the restrictions successfully put in place to reduce Covid-19. She also compares the death rate post restrictions not when the virus was spreading unabated and mortality was higher than cancer.

The inference of her piece is that some form of conspiracy is taking place and that the impact of Covid-19 is being grossly overstated. But the facts don't support this. I agree about lies, damned lies, etc. but the fact is there was a huge spike in excess mortality in the UK between Mar-Jun this year, and the the only known explanation is Covid-19. Yes it has seemingly subsided now, but that is most likely a result of the restrictions and possibly the virus mutating and becoming less virulent; though there is no data as yet to confirm the later.

So for now, I personally will comply with measures to reduce the spread simply because so much is unknown about Covid-19 and I'd rather be cautious than take the risk; after all, is wearing a face mask and social distancing really so onerous?

Take care

Paul