I live I cabo roig ...how far can I travel to shop ...here we have consum and Euromarket .....but can I go to Iceland or alcampo .or mercadona ..in lazenia
We are expected to use closest supermarket!
I'm sure we'd all like to shop at our favourite places and buy our favourite foods but the rule is very simple, leaving home should be for essential needs only and be kept as brief as absolutely necessary and that means using the nearest shops and facilities.
Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2020 4:16pm
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The law doesn't actually put a limit on distance:
Article 7. Limitation of the freedom of movement of people.
1. During the validity of the state of alarm, people may only circulate along the roads or spaces for public use to carry out the following activities, which must be carried out individually, unless accompanied by persons with disabilities, minors, elders, or by other just cause:
a) Acquisition of food, pharmaceuticals and basic necessities.
If I'd been stopped and fined when I went to Iceland this morning, the way the law is worded means I could successfully contest the fine.
Iceland was a lot quieter than our local Aldi and Consum, so I was personally exposed to less risk by going there.
jimtaylor wrote on Sat Mar 28, 2020 4:16pm:
The law doesn't actually put a limit on distance:
Article 7. Limitation of the freedom of movement of people.
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1. During the validity of the state of alarm, people may only circulate along the roads or spaces for public use to carry out the following activities, which must be carried out individually, unless accompanied by persons with disabilities, minors, elders, or by other just cause:
a) Acquisition of food, pharmaceuticals and basic necessities.
If I'd been stopped and fined when I went to Iceland this morning, the way the law is worded means I could successfully contest the fine.
Iceland was a lot quieter than our local Aldi and Consum, so I was personally exposed to less risk by going there.
Thanks Jim ..just out with the dog ...I ask the police local. ...they said you can travel to shops within 2 to 3 km .but adviced not to travel to torrevieja ..from where I live.
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Monkey wrote on Sat Mar 28, 2020 4:27pm:
Thanks Jim ..just out with the dog ...I ask the police local. ...they said you can travel to shops within 2 to 3 km .but adviced not to travel to torrevieja ..from where I live.
If you are in Cabo Roig are you aware that there is an Iceland ( Overseas supermarkets ) in Lomas De Cabo Roig which would be much closer than going to Torrevieja.
John56 wrote on Sat Mar 28, 2020 6:13pm:
If you are in Cabo Roig are you aware that there is an Iceland ( Overseas supermarkets ) in Lomas De Cabo Roig which would be much closer than going to Torrevieja.
I am going to lydl and mercadona in lazenia. ...and yes I know about iceland thanks. .I don't want to go to torre
jimtaylor wrote on Sat Mar 28, 2020 4:16pm:
The law doesn't actually put a limit on distance:
Article 7. Limitation of the freedom of movement of people.
Read more...
1. During the validity of the state of alarm, people may only circulate along the roads or spaces for public use to carry out the following activities, which must be carried out individually, unless accompanied by persons with disabilities, minors, elders, or by other just cause:
a) Acquisition of food, pharmaceuticals and basic necessities.
If I'd been stopped and fined when I went to Iceland this morning, the way the law is worded means I could successfully contest the fine.
Iceland was a lot quieter than our local Aldi and Consum, so I was personally exposed to less risk by going there.
With all due respect Jim don't you think that's splitting hairs?
While possibly within the strict legal wording of the decree it's certainly arguable that it's out with the spirit.
Most concerning to me though, and particularly coming from where it is, is that it's it's likely to embolden others to follow your example and in doing so unnecessarily expose themselves to fining by the Guardia who may very well have a different view, whether or not that would give rise to a valid and successful appeal is not really the point!
One such view might be that with shops perfectly adequate to serve the majority of peoples actual needs virtually on their doorsteps undertaking a round trip journey of some 35 to 40 km for no reason whatsoever than to visit a favourite shop and purchase what they want would be extremely difficult to classify as 'essential'.
The argument about interfacing with fewer people - and thus lessening potential exposure - was pure happenstance as of course noone can have prior knowledge of how many people there may or may not be at any given shop or at any given time.
Movingon wrote on Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:52am:
With all due respect Jim don't you think that's splitting hairs?
While possibly within the strict legal wording of the decree it's certainly arguable that it's out with the spirit.
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Most concerning to me though, and particularly coming from where it is, is that it's it's likely to embolden others to follow your example and in doing so unnecessarily expose themselves to fining by the Guardia who may very well have a different view, whether or not that would give rise to a valid and successful appeal is not really the point!
One such view might be that with shops perfectly adequate to serve the majority of peoples actual needs virtually on their doorsteps undertaking a round trip journey of some 35 to 40 km for no reason whatsoever than to visit a favourite shop and purchase what they want would be extremely difficult to classify as 'essential'.
The argument about interfacing with fewer people - and thus lessening potential exposure - was pure happenstance as of course noone can have prior knowledge of how many people there may or may not be at any given shop or at any given time.
Hi. This is all relative (to individual people) I have mentioned this before. In my situation, I can "walk" with options & regarding shopping have a corner shop 24 seconds away, A big Consum, 3 minutes away, & two other shops about 5/ 6 minutes away. I normally chose the latter, as they are quieter (on the streets) and have less queues & shoppers inside. The local policia together with the voluntary civil protection chaps know exactly where I live.They have not questioned me on my variation of routes. As I say, if one is travelling a relatively sensible distance within reason, on foot or by car there is no problem. Simply use common sense. If one´s self queries the distance, then so may the authorities. They are occupied with genuine "chancers" in order to protect people safe. We should obviously doing the same for us & others.
V.
Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2020 12:06pm
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Movingon wrote on Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:52am:
With all due respect Jim don't you think that's splitting hairs?
While possibly within the strict legal wording of the decree it's certainly arguable that it's out with the spirit.
Read more...
Most concerning to me though, and particularly coming from where it is, is that it's it's likely to embolden others to follow your example and in doing so unnecessarily expose themselves to fining by the Guardia who may very well have a different view, whether or not that would give rise to a valid and successful appeal is not really the point!
One such view might be that with shops perfectly adequate to serve the majority of peoples actual needs virtually on their doorsteps undertaking a round trip journey of some 35 to 40 km for no reason whatsoever than to visit a favourite shop and purchase what they want would be extremely difficult to classify as 'essential'.
The argument about interfacing with fewer people - and thus lessening potential exposure - was pure happenstance as of course noone can have prior knowledge of how many people there may or may not be at any given shop or at any given time.
I'm not trying to influence what others do. My point of view is that whilst you're travelling, then you're not interfacing with others, and so not putting yourself or others at risk. In that case distance is somewhat irrelevant.
One of the things I wanted was yeast, which Aldi don't sell, and Consum and Mercadona don't have in stock. The reason for wanting it is that, possibly due to her stomach cancer, she reacts badly to bought bread.
Iceland is very far from being a favourite shop. I only go there because it's the only place I can get some of the things we use.
I'd checked with them first to see if they're still quiet at opening time, and they said they were. Better than e.g. Consum where there's a queue of people outside waiting for them to open.
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