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Gemily1 wrote on Thu Jun 4, 2020 4:44pm:
I wonder who we,ll blame for that then Cummings or Gardiner or let's blame the people who will actually be responsible black lives matter and the criminals who tag onto them. (No I'm not a racist) and I condemn all for their disgraceful behaviour.
Gemily, careful now, you are travelling along those ' branches' once more. 😃
LeckyLes
Gemily1 wrote on Thu Jun 4, 2020 4:44pm:
I wonder who we,ll blame for that then Cummings or Gardiner or let's blame the people who will actually be responsible black lives matter and the criminals who tag onto them. (No I'm not a racist) and I condemn all for their disgraceful behaviour.
I think Cummings was alone in acting within the guidance or very close to it. Maybe Barry Gardiner will contract the virus and spread it around his constituents - he really should go into self isolation for their sake.
Posted: Thu Jun 4, 2020 5:36pm
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Gemily, it is pointless arguing with some of the left wing on here, i only come on to have a go at them, then ignore all responses. They have a blinkered view, and formulate their opinions based on the colour of a rosette, rather than facts. Amazing that they think a government aide who 'may or may not' have breached a rule, is more accountable than taxpayer funded elected MPs whom definitely broke rules. Perhaps that's why the left wing got routed at the last election as no-one trusts anything they say anymore. And i speak as someone who voted Labour until they ignored the electorate from their Islington centred world, but as a Northerner we once again saw what the Labour party thought about us, when Keir Starmers aide's comment on the Cummings scenario was to put on social media "No offence but why would you drive North of London twice."
Posted: Thu Jun 4, 2020 5:49pm
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A few of facts/observations having read through this thread:
1. The 2020 Coronavirus Act sets out the law in this case. The Government guidelines are not entirely consistent with it e.g. original guidance stated people could exercise only once a day, where the act contains no such restrictions
2. Durham police concluded that Domonic Cummings committed a "minor breach of the law", as defined in the act. They did not investigate whether he had failed to comply with the government guidance as that is not their job.
3. Many people, including MP's of both parties have broken the government guidance on Corvid-19. However none of them were involved in setting the guidance and none were infected when they broke it. Dominic Cummings self admittedly was.
4. The government guidance on this occasion was explicit "if you have symptoms of coronavirus, you must self isolate for 7 days and the rest of your household for 14".
5. There was no reference to the press hounding Dominic Cummings at his home prior to the story breaking. It was first reported by Dominic Cummings as part of the explanation for his actions
6. There is no evidence that Dominic Cummings son is autistic, nor has he (DC) ever claimed that to be the case. This appears to be an unsubstantiated rumour started after the story broke.
Balmer9 wrote on Thu Jun 4, 2020 5:36pm:
Gemily, it is pointless arguing with some of the left wing on here, i only come on to have a go at them, then ignore all responses. They have a blinkered view, and formulate their opinions based on the colour of a rosette, rather than facts. Amazing that they think a government aide who 'may or m...
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...ay not' have breached a rule, is more accountable than taxpayer funded elected MPs whom definitely broke rules. Perhaps that's why the left wing got routed at the last election as no-one trusts anything they say anymore. And i speak as someone who voted Labour until they ignored the electorate from their Islington centred world, but as a Northerner we once again saw what the Labour party thought about us, when Keir Starmers aide's comment on the Cummings scenario was to put on social media "No offence but why would you drive North of London twice."
don’t you think they meant there is plenty of care in the London area! No need for a 260 mile drive north to see the mam! Didn’t he advise Bojo to advise us not to endanger essential workers! Suppose he broke down, or loss of vision happened on his jolly, I mean journey, or even an accident? 999 HELP. He was so wrong 🤷♂️
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Posted: Thu Jun 4, 2020 6:15pm
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PeteinAberdare wrote on Thu Jun 4, 2020 4:44pm:
You say you condemn all equally.
My logic is that the person involved in law making has a higher duty than others to obey the law he/she just made. So to condemn all equally is nonsense. E.G. If a copper robbed a bank I think the court would take a particularly dim view of it.
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You presumably don't subscribe to that, which is fair enough, but what an awful example your system sets.
Every person in law is equal and has a fundamental right to be treated as such. Yes they have a higher duty to uphold the law but the punishment is the same. By what your saying and by your logic as you put it, is if a rich person commits theft then he should get punished more severely than a poor person, at the end of the day theft is theft.
Also by your logic tell me what should we do with Kinnock, Tahir Ali, Ian Blackford, Barry Gardiner, the lady MP etc who went to meet her lover these deliberately broke the rules, so they said sorry which of course is nonsense they were caught. Dont forget they are also part of the law making system.
By the way I dont have a system, I believe what's good for the goose is good for the gander and to be honest there are more important things to be getting on with.
I condemn these MPs so once again you are a part of making it,one rule for us and one rule for them not very logical.
Sorry Leckyles but somebody replies then I will reply.
Posted: Thu Jun 4, 2020 6:17pm
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Balmer9 wrote on Thu Jun 4, 2020 5:36pm:
Gemily, it is pointless arguing with some of the left wing on here, i only come on to have a go at them, then ignore all responses. They have a blinkered view, and formulate their opinions based on the colour of a rosette, rather than facts. Amazing that they think a government aide who 'may or m...
Read more...
...ay not' have breached a rule, is more accountable than taxpayer funded elected MPs whom definitely broke rules. Perhaps that's why the left wing got routed at the last election as no-one trusts anything they say anymore. And i speak as someone who voted Labour until they ignored the electorate from their Islington centred world, but as a Northerner we once again saw what the Labour party thought about us, when Keir Starmers aide's comment on the Cummings scenario was to put on social media "No offence but why would you drive North of London twice."
I like a debate😃😃
Posted: Thu Jun 4, 2020 6:18pm
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I like a debate😃😃
Gemily and Balmer9 are now officially the Forum prize Thread Branchers
I feel a new feature film title 'Cumming' on .
Carry on Branching. 🤣😃🤣😃🤣😃
LeckyLes
Cookep1 wrote on Thu Jun 4, 2020 5:49pm:
A few of facts/observations having read through this thread:
1. The 2020 Coronavirus Act sets out the law in this case. The Government guidelines are not entirely consistent with it e.g. original guidance stated people could exercise only once a day, where the act contains no such restrictions
Read more...
2. Durham police concluded that Domonic Cummings committed a "minor breach of the law", as defined in the act. They did not investigate whether he had failed to comply with the government guidance as that is not their job.
3. Many people, including MP's of both parties have broken the government guidance on Corvid-19. However none of them were involved in setting the guidance and none were infected when they broke it. Dominic Cummings self admittedly was.
4. The government guidance on this occasion was explicit "if you have symptoms of coronavirus, you must self isolate for 7 days and the rest of your household for 14".
5. There was no reference to the press hounding Dominic Cummings at his home prior to the story breaking. It was first reported by Dominic Cummings as part of the explanation for his actions
6. There is no evidence that Dominic Cummings son is autistic, nor has he (DC) ever claimed that to be the case. This appears to be an unsubstantiated rumour started after the story broke.
Great laying out of the facts. Thank you
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