Hydrogen as a fuel source

Would tend to agree with you, problem is the world is populated with far to many gullible people that believe what the "experts" and media tell them, these same gullible people listen to celebs who fly about in private jets and live in sprawling mansions consuming vast amounts of resources and energy to feed their elite lifestyles.

As for EVs i am not against them but even VOLVO admit they are not "that" green, good read at the below link.

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-10161697/Volvo-says-electric-car-making-emissions-70-HIGHER-petrol.html

VOLVO are now producing carbon footprint reports re EVs versus diesel versus petrol, the only way they can make a reasonable case for EVs is by basing the reports on the cars lasting for 200,000 kms, link to one of those reports below.

https://www.volvocars.com/images/v/-/media/Market-Assets/INTL/Applications/DotCom/PDF/C40/Volvo-C40-Recharge-LCA-report.pdf

I have been involved for a long time with gaseous fuels.  My car currently runs on LPG.  Hydrogen will not replace very much.  People (sheeple) will be led down the H2 route because they know no better, just like electric cars that are less green than my LPG car.
Most hydrogen is produced by reforming natural gas which causes massive pollution and uses masses of energy.  Green hydrogen is not readily available and Shell (I think) recently closed all its refilling points. Toyota is pulling out of car H2 production.  What does that tell you?

I fail to see why we should be told to use a gas that gives back less energy than it takes to produce it.

 Hydrogen is the first and the lightest element of the periodic table, with a molecular weight of a fraction over 1  It naturally will escape from anywhere. The so called greenies want to start putting H2 into the UK's gas mains. Bear in mind that many of the UK's gas mains are cast iron and over 100 years old and already leak like the proverbial sieve. By doing that I feel we will be seeing many more of the explosions like the sad one in Jersey just recently.  It is not the way to go.

True 100% green hydrogen cannot be produced in vast quantities in Europe.  We should be looking more towards using H2  produced by systems like OTEC which is 100% pollution free, but sadly we  have none the deep cold waters and warm seas needed for this system.   Have a look on Google for this. It is actually a very old idea but has never had big money spent on it to develop its true potential

It is unfortunate that the muppets laying down all the recommendations for a reduced carbon etc atmosphere, don't have a technical bone in their body and parrot recommendations from highly biased sources..

The incredible damage done to the UK by following 'green' advisers is clear to see. A  quick look at the generation capacity of the National Grid will soon show that. If the UK gets a cold winter, rolling power cuts will be a fact, despite what the Grid might say. We (UK) are already importing massive amounts of power via sub-sea cables from France and Norway.

Here in Spain there are still operating nuclear plants to ensure our supplies. Sadly hydro is having a problem. Portugal has a range of power systems operating on tidal energy which is always 100% free and 100% predictable.  There is a lot of work going on at the moment on tidal systems, have a look at
[email protected]   good info available.

8Totally agree! Back here in the uk the council has handed our homes (2000 of them) without asking!! To the gas industry for a Trial/Experiment whereby we will be cut off from natural gas and be forced to accept 100% Hydrogen or go all Electric even to the extent of passing a law to give the gas company's power to enter our homes to facilitate the change over "utter madness" the goverments own study says Hydrogen is four times more dangerous than natural gas and 8 times more expensive and will need three times the volume to get the same heat as on natutal gas

Sorry rant over

You are not ranting, I totally agree with you.  It's complete and utter madness as well as potentially dangerous.  I read about these ridiculous recommendations and thought that this means trouble.

Everything that uses gas is going to have to be changed and don't forget that nearly ever road and street will have to be dug up. .  Incredible costs.  What would that be for the whole country?

Can anyone answer why any sane individual can recommend changing to a more dangerous product that is more costly and less efficient? 

Perhaps a loony leftie would like to reply and explain why.  Please.   Make my day.

It sounds like yet another box ticking exercise to keep the loony left greenies happy.  I am fed up with box ticking exercises to keep these minorities happy.  Just look at the BBC, National Trust, English Heritage etc  etc.  And don't even mention the universities. UGH!!  All part of the control culture.

In the very near future the people who bought electric cars will have realised that they have to throw their car away every 8 years......   The pipeline from Portugal, carrying only hydrogen, will provide an alternative for the next generation of cars which will be environmentally acceptable.    I want to convert my classic car to hydrogen!

Hi Richard,   The classic in my name tag refers to classic cars.  I have been enjoying and rebuilding them for longer than I care to remember.  If I had kept them all I would now be a millionaire.

Re your H2 conversion.  That is still a long way off.  Remember that H2 gives less energy back than it takes to produce it, so I can't see the point. Anyway there are no filling points.

Why not do as I do which it to put it onto LPG?  I convert all my cars.  It's half the price of petrol, gives the same MPG, is considerably greener than petrol and you seldom have to change the oil as there is no carbon in LPG.

The best thing is that you can do that today.

 As for Spain, you have to get the conversion done by an authorised person to get the right paperwork in place to pass an ITV.  A UK conversion will not be accepted even with UK certification simply because of the paperwork needs to be Spanish and there was silly me thinking Spain was in the EU. I found this out to my cost.

A Spanish conversion place will use the exact same equipment as somewhere in the UK since it is mostly made in Italy. There are many more places doing it now than when I first came over, the same goes for filling points.

Have a look on myLPG.eu for all these places. It's a good site.

I didn't know there was an H2 pipeline from Portugal.  To produce enough H2 to export needs a colossal investment.  It has to be manufactured either by reformation of natural gas which produces masses of pollution and requires huge quantities of energy. or by electrolysis which again needs vast quantities of electricity.  Neither product can be called green.  All it does is centre all the pollution in one place.

I could go into reams of reasons why H2 is inherently dangerous and the UK is going down a very precarious route by forcing people to change to H2 for their houses.  

Hey Classicman...could you give a rough estimate of cost for LPG conversion...i have a 2006 Jeep and a 2014 SLK250...both petrol...and are there many LPG filling points around Catral area... i have solar and might consider an electric car some time in the future...

Hello

I also think that H2 for houses is a non starter but for cars it is possible and I want it!   The H2 pipeline shows governments thinking.....  if that is possible.....  What have you restored?  I am into Lotus - Europa and Eclat, and a lot of MG Midgets my next one is arriving in Feb/March.

Cheers  Richard feliz año nuevo

Hi George VII,

I would guess it would be about the same as the UK, so you are probably looking at round about £2000.

When you sell the car you can swap some (not all) of the conversion kit to the new motor.  Every car will have electronic things for that particular model.

if you look on myLPG.eu  you can find nearby conversion people and filling points and check them out. You might find the nearest filling point to be a Repsol station, they have put a lot in in recent years.  Look for a big round white tank.

My 2004 Jeep Cherokee XJ has run happily on gas for years.I have two 60lit tanks in the back which gives me 600km on a fill.  Not bad for a 4lit motor. The equipment is Tartarini Tec 97. I don't miss the load space at the back because I don't carry much big stuff around.

Sometimes the location of the tanks can be a problem in some cars and you can finish up with smaller tanks due to lack of space. There are hundreds of different sizes and shapes available.