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Residency , or not?

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 9:51am
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DOUGT50

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We are husband and wife ,both over pensionable age with UK passports.

Problem is that we are considering applying for Spain residency but not sure if we will loose our UK NHS etc. which at our ages is vitally important to both of us. Like most people who own their own home both in Spain and the UK we would like to be able to spend more time here in Spain than what we are allowed because of Brexit.

Just looking for advice on both the positives and negatives of having Spanish residenecy please??

Darro

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 10:47am

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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 10:47am

If you have S1's then you will be able to use the NHS although you cannot remain registered with a UK GP practice.

Note that residency is not a wheeze to override the 90 day rule as it requires you to spend the majority of your time in Spain and in fact in the first 5 years you are only permitted a maximum of 5 months away.

marcliff

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 11:12am

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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 11:12am

As Darro points out, taking out residency means making a commitment to living in Spain and not just a way to get over the 90 days rule. In the first 5 years, your passport should be stamped on entry and exit as this is classed as temporary residency. You cannot leave Spain for more than 6 months in any one year during those 5 years except in exceptional circumstances. During that first 5 years the total you can be away from Spain is 10 months.

You can get an S1 which transfers your healthcare to the Spanish NHS. Whilst, as pensioners, you can still access the UK NHS for emergencies, you will not remain registered with a UK GP once your S1 has been registered in Spain.

Only think of residency as a permanent method or retirement and you will be liable to income tax in Spain once you have been here for more than 6 months in one year. Income tax allowances are not so generous in Spain so you will end up paying more than in UK although other taxes, like council tax, are not so steep.

When UK was a member of the EU you could simply register your stay and remain for up to 6 months in any one go per year without becoming a tax resident. That is no longer possible if you are a UK passport holder. 

TonySmith

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 11:23am

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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 11:23am

DOUGT50 wrote on Fri Oct 20, 2023 9:51am:

We are husband and wife ,both over pensionable age with UK passports.

Problem is that we are considering applying for Spain residency but not sure if we will loose our UK NHS etc. which at our ages is vitally important to both of us. Like most people who own their own home both in Spain and the UK we would like to be able to spend more time here in Spain than what ...

...we are allowed because of Brexit.

Just looking for advice on both the positives and negatives of having Spanish residenecy please??

You cannot just decide residency at a whim. As UK passport holders you are now considered as 3rd party nationals, which means that you must go through a rigorous ordeal by applying for Non-Lucrative Visa's, which involves showing savings/non-working income of approx €35K (for 2 people 28+7) for the 1st year and €70 for year 2 and 3. If as  you say, both are over retirement age, you need S1 medical insurance, with no co-pay or exclusions. After the 1st year things relax a bit, but to continue to hold the visa the amount of time you are permitted to be outside Spain is very short, so you need to consider this

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tebo53

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 12:05pm

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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 12:05pm

TonySmith wrote on Fri Oct 20, 2023 11:23am:

You cannot just decide residency at a whim. As UK passport holders you are now considered as 3rd party nationals, which means that you must go through a rigorous ordeal by applying for Non-Lucrative Visa's, which involves showing savings/non-working income of approx €35K (for 2 people 28+7) for...

... the 1st year and €70 for year 2 and 3. If as  you say, both are over retirement age, you need S1 medical insurance, with no co-pay or exclusions. After the 1st year things relax a bit, but to continue to hold the visa the amount of time you are permitted to be outside Spain is very short, so you need to consider this

"you need S1 medical insurance, with no co-pay or exclusions"

The S1 healthcare covers everything so above statement is not entirely correct. 

Steve 

TonySmith

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 12:12pm

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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 12:12pm

tebo53 wrote on Fri Oct 20, 2023 12:05pm:

"you need S1 medical insurance, with no co-pay or exclusions"

The S1 healthcare covers everything so above statement is not entirely correct. 

Steve 

Granted, but just trying to inform/include those who do not qualify for S1

DOUGT50

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 12:57pm

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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 12:57pm

Thank you everyone , i certainly get the fuller picture now

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