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Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:40pm
Kimmy11 wrote on Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:40pm:
Irish passports?! Then you're still EU citizens and retain Freedom of Movement - Brexit isn't an issue for you, Patrick :o)
https://www.dfa.ie/irish-embassy/spain/our-services/new-to-spain/residency-and-entry-requirements/
Hi Kim. Yes FOM should be there but as far as Residency it will make no different I think. Patrick
Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:48pm
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paddywhack wrote on Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:40pm:
Hi Kim. Yes FOM should be there but as far as Residency it will make no different I think. Patrick
Hi Paddy,
But surely you'll be applying for residency as an EU citizen with the lower financial requirements, rather than as a Third Country National?
Kind regards,
Kim
Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:12pm
Kimmy11 wrote on Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:48pm:
Hi Paddy,
But surely you'll be applying for residency as an EU citizen with the lower financial requirements, rather than as a Third Country National?
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Kind regards,
Kim
Not sure Kim how it works as although we have Irish passports we are from NI (everybody on island of Ireland, North and South are entitled to Irish passports) but we are looked after by NHS and we have British pensions. Will look into it when we are next in Spain, who knows when that will be. Stay safe. Patrick
Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:36am
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Ah, sorry Patrick, I think I was guilty of 'unconscious bias' there (Patrick + Irish passport = Irish citizen), but of course there are other countries where Patrick is a known first name! ;o)
Take care,
Kim
Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:26pm
Kimmy11 wrote on Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:36am:
Ah, sorry Patrick, I think I was guilty of 'unconscious bias' there (Patrick + Irish passport = Irish citizen), but of course there are other countries where Patrick is a known first name! ;o)
Take care,
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Kim
Hi Kim. No, you are quite right, although I live in NI I class myself as Irish which we can now do under the terms of Good Friday Agreement. Not a political thing for me, just personal. I will find out more about Residency when I get out to Spain (whenever that might be). Thanks for all your good advice. Take care and stay safe. Regards Patrick
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Kimmy11 wrote on Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:23pm:
Hi Patrick,
Assuming that you're either a State pensioner, or an early retiree, the financials (and other requirements) to support the application for a Non-Lucrative Visa/Residence Permit are published on the Spanish government website:
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http://www.exteriores.gob.es/Consulados/LONDRES/en/Consulado/Pages/Visas.aspx
- For the first applicant, the sum is calculated as 4 x IPREM (Public Income Index), which in 2020 was € 2,151.36 per month = € 25,816.32
- For each additional dependant, the sum is 1 x IPREM, i.e. € 537.84 per month = € 6,454.08
So for a married couple, that's € 32,270.40 (or its legal equivalent in foreign currency) for 2020. Although I don't have the published figures, IPREM has increased slightly for 2021, resulting in a total for a couple of approx. € 33,500.
Regarding healthcare, you'd need private health insurance for the first year, then you could switch to the Convenio Especial. PHI and the C.E. do not cover prescription costs, but the C.E. doesn't exclude pre-existing conditions. The C.E. is typically a little cheaper than PHI, at € 60 per person, per month, but at age 65, it increases significantly to € 157 per person, per month.
The Non-Lucrative Visa lasts for 3 months, during which you apply for the initial Permit. This is for 1 year and can be extended for 2 years - if you apply to renew the permit twice, i.e. 1 year + 2 years + 2 years, thereby living in Spain for a total of 5 years, you then achieve what the UK calls "settled status" and the Spanish call "Residencia Permanente". At this 5 year point, you no longer have to apply for further permits, as you're entitled to stay indefinitely. I understand that you have to prove the financials and healthcare provision at the initial application and also for each permit renewal, although another member said that this has to be proven every year (until you achieve permanent residency).
The visa process has to be started in the UK at the Spanish Consulate, although I see from their website that the office is temporarily closed.
Kind regards,
Kim
Hi Kimmy
How do I stand re non lucrative vis
Myself and my partner are not married , been together 9 years all our banks and financials are joint , is my partner classed as family?
Kind regards
Martin
Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 8:42pm
Kimmy11 wrote on Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:23pm:
Hi Patrick,
Assuming that you're either a State pensioner, or an early retiree, the financials (and other requirements) to support the application for a Non-Lucrative Visa/Residence Permit are published on the Spanish government website:
Read more...
http://www.exteriores.gob.es/Consulados/LONDRES/en/Consulado/Pages/Visas.aspx
- For the first applicant, the sum is calculated as 4 x IPREM (Public Income Index), which in 2020 was € 2,151.36 per month = € 25,816.32
- For each additional dependant, the sum is 1 x IPREM, i.e. € 537.84 per month = € 6,454.08
So for a married couple, that's € 32,270.40 (or its legal equivalent in foreign currency) for 2020. Although I don't have the published figures, IPREM has increased slightly for 2021, resulting in a total for a couple of approx. € 33,500.
Regarding healthcare, you'd need private health insurance for the first year, then you could switch to the Convenio Especial. PHI and the C.E. do not cover prescription costs, but the C.E. doesn't exclude pre-existing conditions. The C.E. is typically a little cheaper than PHI, at € 60 per person, per month, but at age 65, it increases significantly to € 157 per person, per month.
The Non-Lucrative Visa lasts for 3 months, during which you apply for the initial Permit. This is for 1 year and can be extended for 2 years - if you apply to renew the permit twice, i.e. 1 year + 2 years + 2 years, thereby living in Spain for a total of 5 years, you then achieve what the UK calls "settled status" and the Spanish call "Residencia Permanente". At this 5 year point, you no longer have to apply for further permits, as you're entitled to stay indefinitely. I understand that you have to prove the financials and healthcare provision at the initial application and also for each permit renewal, although another member said that this has to be proven every year (until you achieve permanent residency).
The visa process has to be started in the UK at the Spanish Consulate, although I see from their website that the office is temporarily closed.
Kind regards,
Kim
Hi there
the money that you talk about that is held in the bank. Is this a one off payment and how long is it held in the bank for.
thank you.
Sophie
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:55pm
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Monkeey3 wrote on Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:49pm:
Hi Kimmy
How do I stand re non lucrative vis
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Myself and my partner are not married , been together 9 years all our banks and financials are joint , is my partner classed as family?
Kind regards
Martin
Hi Martin,
It used to be possible, when the UK was in the EU, for an "Umarried Stable Couple" to apply for residency together - you had to prove that you were living together for a minimum of 1 year and have joint bank accounts and/or children, property, etc. But I don't know if this status exists for Third Country Nationals in Spain - as you have to contact the Spanish Consulate in the UK to start the Non-Lucrative Visa process, it would make sense to ask them in the first instance:
http://www.exteriores.gob.es/Consulados/LONDRES/en/Consulado/Pages/Visas.aspx
Kind regards,
Kim
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:17pm
Helpful member
On the non-lucrative visa guidance on the London consulate site it states the following:
FAMILIARES DEL SOLICITANTE
En el caso de cónyuges o parejas de hecho, es necesario presentar, adicionalmente, el certificado de matrimonio o registro de pareja de hecho y, en el caso de descendientes, certificado de nacimiento.
RES ES-EN.pdf (exteriores.gob.es)
Now, I interpret "parejas de hecho" as unmarried partners - but it then references that you need to present the registration certificate. So that isn't particularly helpful but it at least opens the door to asking them the question of exactly what they deem appropriate as per Kimmy's suggestion.
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Well, that was rather annoying - I didn't realise that the first 3 pages of the 6 page guidance notes were in Spanish and then pages 4-6 are in English already!!!! The English version states this which suggests spouses or civil partners not unmarried couples:
FAMILY MEMBERS OF THE APPLICANT
In the case of spouses or civil partners, it is necessary to submit, additionally, marriage or civil partnership
certificate and, in the case of descendants, birth certificate.
All these documents need to be legalised through the consular representations of the issuing country or, in the
case of signatory countries to the Hague Convention of October 5, 1961, hold the Hague Apostille (except official
documents issued by a Member State of the European Union, which will not require to be legalised).
George55 wrote on Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:17pm:
On the non-lucrative visa guidance on the London consulate site it states the following:
FAMILIARES DEL SOLICITANTE
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En el caso de cónyuges o parejas de hecho, es necesario presentar, adicionalmente, el certificado de matrimonio o registro de pareja de hecho y, en el caso de descendientes, certificado de nacimiento.
RES ES-EN.pdf (exteriores.gob.es)
Now, I interpret "parejas de hecho" as unmarried partners - but it then references that you need to present the registration certificate. So that isn't particularly helpful but it at least opens the door to asking them the question of exactly what they deem appropriate as per Kimmy's suggestion.
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Well, that was rather annoying - I didn't realise that the first 3 pages of the 6 page guidance notes were in Spanish and then pages 4-6 are in English already!!!! The English version states this which suggests spouses or civil partners not unmarried couples:
FAMILY MEMBERS OF THE APPLICANT In the case of spouses or civil partners, it is necessary to submit, additionally, marriage or civil partnership certificate and, in the case of descendants, birth certificate. All these documents need to be legalised through the consular representations of the issuing country or, in the case of signatory countries to the Hague Convention of October 5, 1961, hold the Hague Apostille (except official documents issued by a Member State of the European Union, which will not require to be legalised).
Hi George
I have now emailed the Spanish consulate in the Uk for guidance. Not sure if I will get a reply yet has they are closed till further notice
Many thanks
Martin
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