Entry restrictions - Page 2

First time I have come across a post from someone who has tested positive. I am wondering how long you will have to stay in Spain, I have read you may continue to test positive for several weeks so after your quarantine you may still get a positive result on the re-test.

not true...police sergeant said ok on outside terraces...yesterday in Catral..

Oh dear, sorry your plans are disrupted also !!

It really is demoralising. I hope you are not feeling too bad with your positive testing.

When will we ever get back to some sort of normality.?

Merry Christmas and a healthy happy New Year wherever you are .

Ian

The problem with all of this is some people cannot be vaccinated due to health issues. A couple I know are having IVF and both cannot have the vaccination . Other people with some other health issues cannot be vaccinated either.

Not all tests are full proof and some give the wrong result, both ways.

So what are these folk going to do, live in a box for the rest of their lives. If they cannot be vaccinated as long as they can produce a negative test, stopping them living a normal life must be against their human rights to FREEDOM.

Its all very very political particularly the UK - EU governments. Still more are dying from Cancer every day. 1 in 2 will have cancer in their life and many will die from it. I'm a 1 who has come through it so far, but who knows.

All these deaths put down as having a postive test within 28 days still doesn't mean they have died from it as opposed to died with it. there is a big difference. As is all the predictitions from modelling that has been carried out. For instance Prof Fergason told the Uk we would have 4000 deaths a day. That was never the case.

With regard to the number of deaths due to covid, i agree that the official statistics using the 28 day rule are not accurate. The gold standard to measure deaths is the mortality rate, this is pretty constant over the years, varying slightly according to the severity of the winter. Over the last 2 years the mortality rate has risen due to the pandemic and clearly show that the number of deaths is underestimated. Using the UK as an example the official covid death toll is around 150,000 whereas the increased mortality rate indicates the true number is over 200,000. 

Hi,

    where did you get the figure of 200,000 excess deaths for the UK since covid began?

According to the figures reported regularly on the BBC web-site, sourced from the ONS, the excess deaths since covid began are just under 150,000 - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274 - that is as of 31/12/21.

Quite a difference between the ONS figure and 200,000.

Aitch.

The numbers published are deaths where anyone has died having a positive test within 28 days of dying.  However that doesn't mean they died from it . My friends mother aged 84 died last year with pancreatic cancer which she battled for a few months, they wanted to put it down as covid death but the family disputed it and the death cerficate was recorded as Pancratic cancer.

People tested positive · 1 January 2022 · 162,572 ; Deaths within 28 days of positive test . Today's data.

I can see your point on the covid cases,  I don't know how is it determined if someone has actually died from covid, with covid or had tested postive for covid at some point in the previous 28 days but actually died from something else.

Yes, the UK reported 162,572 new positive cases on Jan 1st, plus another 154 deaths. 

My comment above however was on the number of excess deaths in the UK, not just covid deaths. Harvest has given as over 200,000, versus the ONS figure of just under 150,000.

Aitch.

We were in Moraira and Benidorm over Christmas and both areas refused to serve anyone on terraces without a covid passport. Now terraces are not included so you can drink and eat but not allowed to go inside to the toilets. Lovely coffee and ice cream at the Eleven restaurant. 

Hello Aitch, I have read a number of articles about how the official ons data (and other countries data) underestimates the true figure. Here is a link to one of the recent ones I read (does not include the Uk but you will get the gist of the data) https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker