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harvest wrote on Sun Jan 2, 2022 11:09pm:

Hello Aitch, I have read a number of articles about how the official ons data (and other countries data) underestimates the true figure. Here is a link to one of the recent ones I read (does not include the Uk but you will get the gist of the data) Read more...

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aitchc1401 wrote on Mon Jan 3, 2022 12:45am:

Hi Harvest,

   there is nothing in the Economist article that would suggest the UK is underestimating either covid deaths or excess deaths. In fact it is the opposite, the Economist list UK excess deaths as 148,050 whereas the ONS figures are 149,766. The UK is probably one of the few countrie...

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...s that are reporting higher excess death figures that those given in the Economist article.

  Sorry but I cannot see anything to justify your figure of over 200,000 excess deaths in the UK.

Aitch 

harvest wrote on Mon Jan 3, 2022 1:35am:

Hello Aitch, not sure if you are reading the same article, there are graphs there clearly showing Uk deaths using the official ons stats and overimposed the excess deaths data which is higher. The figures you mention are the official covid figures. I have read articles about the excess deaths bei...

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...ng significantly higher than the official figures a number of times from different sources. I will see if I can dig some more out and post the links.

Gill556 wrote on Sun Jan 2, 2022 4:21pm:

We were in Moraira and Benidorm over Christmas and both areas refused to serve anyone on terraces without a covid passport. Now terraces are not included so you can drink and eat but not allowed to go inside to the toilets. Lovely coffee and ice cream at the Eleven restaurant. 

aitchc1401 wrote on Mon Jan 3, 2022 11:11am:

Hi,

   I am looking at the data on the link to the Economist that you provided in a earlier post.

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 Reading the first chart in the article that lists covid deaths and excess deaths since March 2020, for the UK (Britain), it reads

Britain

Mar 16th 2020-Dec 12th 2021

146,500 - covid deaths148,050 - excess deaths217 - 217 excess deaths per 100,000 peopleI am misreading that?Taking the excess deaths per 100,000 people x 68.4 million people (UK population given on WorldoMeters site)

217 x 68.4 = 148,428  more or less the figure the Economist gives, perhaps they are using a slightly smaller UK population figure than WorldoMeters?

I don't see anything in the graphs below that that says the annual figures are over 200,000, There are weekly death rate graphs, showing the reported covid deaths and the excess deaths on a weekly basis. Are there other graphs?

Aitch.

Alfapash wrote on Mon Jan 3, 2022 12:07pm:

Hi Aitch

I think there will be many excess deaths over the average death rate as many people have not been diagnosed, cancer etc, many have not received any treatment and many have not been able to get a GP appointment and therefore have not been able to get a hospital appointment unless rushed into hospi...

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...tal via the ambulance route.

In the week ending 17 December 2021 (Week 50), 12,400 deaths were registered in England and Wales; this was 470 more deaths than the previous week (Week 49) and 15.3% above the five-year average (1,650 more deaths).

The number of deaths registered in England in the week ending 17 December 2021 (Week 50) was 11,623; this was 461 more deaths than the previous week (Week 49) and 15.8% above the five-year average (1,589 more deaths).

From the ONS website. The figures above are only 2021. so you can probably double it and maybe more since the start in 2020.

Type in Excess deaths.

harvest wrote on Sun Jan 2, 2022 12:34pm:

With regard to the number of deaths due to covid, i agree that the official statistics using the 28 day rule are not accurate. The gold standard to measure deaths is the mortality rate, this is pretty constant over the years, varying slightly according to the severity of the winter. Over the last...

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... 2 years the mortality rate has risen due to the pandemic and clearly show that the number of deaths is underestimated. Using the UK as an example the official covid death toll is around 150,000 whereas the increased mortality rate indicates the true number is over 200,000. 

harvest wrote on Sun Jan 2, 2022 12:34pm:

With regard to the number of deaths due to covid, i agree that the official statistics using the 28 day rule are not accurate. The gold standard to measure deaths is the mortality rate, this is pretty constant over the years, varying slightly according to the severity of the winter. Over the last...

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... 2 years the mortality rate has risen due to the pandemic and clearly show that the number of deaths is underestimated. Using the UK as an example the official covid death toll is around 150,000 whereas the increased mortality rate indicates the true number is over 200,000. 

Ianalan68 wrote on Thu Dec 30, 2021 10:39pm:

Oh dear, sorry your plans are disrupted also !!

It really is demoralising. I hope you are not feeling too bad with your positive testing.

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When will we ever get back to some sort of normality.?

Merry Christmas and a healthy happy New Year wherever you are .

Ian

harvest wrote on Sun Jan 2, 2022 11:09pm:

Hello Aitch, I have read a number of articles about how the official ons data (and other countries data) underestimates the true figure. Here is a link to one of the recent ones I read (does not include the Uk but you will get the gist of the data) Read more...

...detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker