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aitchc1401

Posted: Mon Jan 3, 2022 5:26pm

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Posted: Mon Jan 3, 2022 5:26pm

Bodil wrote on Mon Jan 3, 2022 4:13pm:

It gets even more confusing between countries. As far as I know, Spain counts deaths for a week after positive tests. We use 28 days. 

As for definition of vaccinated, it is even more confusing. You do not count as vaccinated the two weeks after your first vaccination, and not on the day of the second vaccination (ONS data). ...

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Hi Bodil,

        you do not count as fully vaccinated until 14 days after your second dose, for a two dose vaccine such as Pfizer, Moderna, A-Z. I believe that is because it takes between 7 - 14 days after the second dose to become fully protected. 

Hence the 14 days delay in being recognised as fully vaccinated. I think this is/was a standard just about everywhere.

   I do not know what now counts as fully vaccinated since the third dose booster vaccination has become available and whether the 14 days delay applies still to the 3rd dose. 

 I believe in Spain at the moment you are still considered as fully vaccinated if you have had two doses (or one dose of a single dose vaccine). If it has not changed already it likely will in the near future so best to take a booster vaccination at the first opportunity! 

Rgds,

Aitch.

Alfapash

Posted: Tue Jan 4, 2022 12:22pm

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Posted: Tue Jan 4, 2022 12:22pm

aitchc1401 wrote on Mon Jan 3, 2022 5:26pm:

Hi Bodil,

        you do not count as fully vaccinated until 14 days after your second dose, for a two dose vaccine such as Pfizer, Moderna, A-Z. I believe that is because it takes between 7 - 14 days after the second dose to become fully protected. 

Hence the 14 days delay in being recognised as fully vaccinated. I think this is/was a standard just about everywhere.

   I do not know what now counts as fully vaccinated since the third dose booster vaccination has become available and whether the 14 days delay applies still to the 3rd dose. 

 I believe in Spain at the moment you are still considered as fully vaccinated if you have had two doses (or one dose of a single dose vaccine). If it has not changed already it likely will in the near future so best to take a booster vaccination at the first opportunity! 

Rgds,

Aitch.

I read yesterday that the 3rd booster wanes after 10 weeks. Prof Dame Sarah Gilbert the architect of the AZ vaccine said in December a third dose was only required for the elderly and the people with ongoing health problems. She said it was more important to vaccinated the rest of the world. She also said the first dose gave you 70% protection and the second dose just topped it up. I don't like the way they keep changing the interval on the periods between dose's. It was 6 months after the second dose now its 12 weeks.

The longer it goes on the more cynical I become.

GrahamLynn

Posted: Tue Jan 4, 2022 4:48pm

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Posted: Tue Jan 4, 2022 4:48pm

aitchc1401 wrote on Mon Jan 3, 2022 5:26pm:

Hi Bodil,

        you do not count as fully vaccinated until 14 days after your second dose, for a two dose vaccine such as Pfizer, Moderna, A-Z. I believe that is because it takes between 7 - 14 days after the second dose to become fully protected. 

Hence the 14 days delay in being recognised as fully vaccinated. I think this is/was a standard just about everywhere.

   I do not know what now counts as fully vaccinated since the third dose booster vaccination has become available and whether the 14 days delay applies still to the 3rd dose. 

 I believe in Spain at the moment you are still considered as fully vaccinated if you have had two doses (or one dose of a single dose vaccine). If it has not changed already it likely will in the near future so best to take a booster vaccination at the first opportunity! 

Rgds,

Aitch.

The 3rd jab has a 14 day delay as well.

Although you can download an updated certificate the following day which shows 3/3. The QR code can’t be read immediately. 

So as a note for people having 3rd jabs, don’t destroy your 2/2 certificate, that has the QR code needed by bars/restaurants/travel until the data can be read.

Lynn

Bodil

Posted: Tue Jan 4, 2022 5:32pm

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Posted: Tue Jan 4, 2022 5:32pm

Alfapash wrote on Tue Jan 4, 2022 12:22pm:

I read yesterday that the 3rd booster wanes after 10 weeks. Prof Dame Sarah Gilbert the architect of the AZ vaccine said in December a third dose was only required for the elderly and the people with ongoing health problems. She said it was more important to vaccinated the rest of the world. She ...

...also said the first dose gave you 70% protection and the second dose just topped it up. I don't like the way they keep changing the interval on the periods between dose's. It was 6 months after the second dose now its 12 weeks.

The longer it goes on the more cynical I become.

They did not have sufficient data on the efficacy nor the side effects of the vaccine due to the speed at which they got it on the market. I would have preferred them to be honest, instead the vaccine was promised to stop the spread and have no side-effects. We then could have judged the risk for ourselves. 

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aitchc1401

Posted: Tue Jan 4, 2022 8:01pm

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Posted: Tue Jan 4, 2022 8:01pm

Bodil wrote on Tue Jan 4, 2022 5:32pm:

They did not have sufficient data on the efficacy nor the side effects of the vaccine due to the speed at which they got it on the market. I would have preferred them to be honest, instead the vaccine was promised to stop the spread and have no side-effects. We then could have judged the risk for...

... ourselves. 

Your recollections of what was "promised" are different ro mine but in any event the fact is that the vaccines have reduced the number of deaths considerably and given a greater degree of freedom back to the majority.  If everyone who could be vaccinated were vaccinated it would improve the situation even further.

Rgds,

Aitch. 

harvest

Posted: Tue Jan 4, 2022 10:33pm

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Posted: Tue Jan 4, 2022 10:33pm

Bodil wrote on Tue Jan 4, 2022 5:32pm:

They did not have sufficient data on the efficacy nor the side effects of the vaccine due to the speed at which they got it on the market. I would have preferred them to be honest, instead the vaccine was promised to stop the spread and have no side-effects. We then could have judged the risk for...

... ourselves. 

It was never promised to stop the spread and have no side effects (not sure where you have got this false information from), but it was promised to reduce the number of deaths which it has done with remarkable effectiveness considering it's a brand new vaccine.

tebo53

Posted: Tue Jan 4, 2022 10:52pm

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Posted: Tue Jan 4, 2022 10:52pm

GrahamLynn wrote on Tue Jan 4, 2022 4:48pm:

The 3rd jab has a 14 day delay as well.

Although you can download an updated certificate the following day which shows 3/3. The QR code can’t be read immediately. 

So as a note for people having 3rd jabs, don’t destroy your 2/2 certificate, that has the QR code needed by bars/restaurants/travel until the data can be read.

Lynn

Quote:"Although you can download an updated certificate the following day which shows 3/3. The QR code can’t be read immediately"

Strange....I downloaded a covid QR code reader and it read my newly updated covid certificate to include the 3rd jab and it read it OK!

Steve

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