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Dodster

Posted: Tue Apr 7, 2020 11:56pm

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Posted: Tue Apr 7, 2020 11:56pm

Colin3920 wrote on Tue Apr 7, 2020 10:43pm:

Dodster.... your either very ignorant or anti police. I'm on the frontline and I can assure you certain crimes  may have reduced however other crimes have increased. Do you honestly think criminals will abide by any lockdown. We are still dealing with car crime... increase in burglaries (com...

...mercial property instead of residential). Increase in domestic violence and online crimes...to name but a few. Two of my colleagues were badly assaulted the weekend and hospitalised and I've already had to deal with two suicides on the railway in last four days... not to mention call after call for mental health and vulnerable people..... but apart from that I may just have a wee toodle around in my police car. I can tell you I as well as my colleagues have no desire to want any special favours for what we do... it's why we joined. But if your gonna post stuff on here about the police get your facts right before you do you ignoramous. 

Thanks Colin....as I said in an earlier post you may well be right but equally you should keep an open mind that the observations I ve made about my local situation could also be right. Eventually it will boil down to stats. 

Adofeegs

Posted: Wed Apr 8, 2020 8:34am

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Posted: Wed Apr 8, 2020 8:34am

Colin3920 wrote on Tue Apr 7, 2020 10:43pm:

Dodster.... your either very ignorant or anti police. I'm on the frontline and I can assure you certain crimes  may have reduced however other crimes have increased. Do you honestly think criminals will abide by any lockdown. We are still dealing with car crime... increase in burglaries (com...

...mercial property instead of residential). Increase in domestic violence and online crimes...to name but a few. Two of my colleagues were badly assaulted the weekend and hospitalised and I've already had to deal with two suicides on the railway in last four days... not to mention call after call for mental health and vulnerable people..... but apart from that I may just have a wee toodle around in my police car. I can tell you I as well as my colleagues have no desire to want any special favours for what we do... it's why we joined. But if your gonna post stuff on here about the police get your facts right before you do you ignoramous. 

Colin, I completed my 30 and I am out to grass now. These situations sort the wheat out from the chaff. Sometimes it can be a problem for the chaff to deal with it. Keep up the fantastic work and in the words of Dogberry 'bear you the lantern, this is your charge' Best of luck.

Adrian.

Villas

Posted: Wed Apr 8, 2020 8:39am

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Posted: Wed Apr 8, 2020 8:39am

Adofeegs wrote on Wed Apr 8, 2020 8:34am:

Colin, I completed my 30 and I am out to grass now. These situations sort the wheat out from the chaff. Sometimes it can be a problem for the chaff to deal with it. Keep up the fantastic work and in the words of Dogberry 'bear you the lantern, this is your charge' Best of luck.

Adrian.

Well said.

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jimtaylor

Posted: Thu Apr 9, 2020 5:16pm

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Posted: Thu Apr 9, 2020 5:16pm

This post that was quoted has been deleted.

I thought your comment might trigger a response fro my daughter. This is what she says:

Juliette – why exclude managerial roles?  Do they not think managers are involved in this response?  Who do people think is negotiating with local businesses for field hospitals, making sure supplies are in, getting enough resource to rebuild departments in a matter of days.  Would they prefer we asked those lead doctors to supervise and manage these things?  Managers enact the will of the clinicians.  They make sure things happen.  And for the record, I have manager in my title, I am at a level equivalent to a ward manager but I’m not clinical, so I presume it’s a case of I can f-off in their mind too.  Operational managers who spend their time sourcing agency and locum doctors – shall they crawl in to some god forgiven hole too?


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Posted: Thu Apr 9, 2020 5:22pm

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Posted: Thu Apr 9, 2020 5:22pm

Dodster wrote on Sat Apr 4, 2020 10:19am:

Interesting perspective and highlights that whilst some NHS staff are undoubtedly under the cosh and quite frankly heroic...the inconvenient truth is that the whole NHS in UK with 1.7 million employees are not. In that context, some of the hyperbole is misplaced. There are also significant concer...

...ns in the UK about treatment for any non-Covid 19 illnesses right now with absolutely no questioning from the media. For example there was an article in the papers this morning about the Edinburgh Royal Infirmary bed space normally being fully occupied but wards are now emptied in readiness for Covid 19 patients. The obvious question would surely be whats happened to all the patients....presumably they either needed to be in hospital or not? I think this displacement effect will become bigger news over coming weeks.

Another interesting feature of the Covid crisis is that police officers are being singled out for particular praise and perks such as priority shopping hours. Where we live in Tayside, Scotland, there is an obvious and unusual show of police presence tootling about in there wee cars but the harsh reality is that their workload must have reduced enormously. Think about it. Effects of lockdown.....no bar brawls at the weekend, fewer burglaries because everyone's at home, reduced shoplifting, very few RTAs, no football matches or large events to police. Again the narrative seems to be that police are stepping up in the face of the crisis whereas the reality is probably the exact opposite. 

Another response from my daughter:

Dodster – what the fuck are you talking about?  “some NHS staff are undoubtedly under the cosh… the whole NHS in UK with 1.7 million employees are not”.  Do they think that we don’t have people who’s day job isn’t needed doing something else?  We are 12000 in 1 organisation, and we are deploying people to where they are needed.  Staff are being very cooperative and flexible and they are going.  What happened to all the patients – well the idiots who couldn’t be arsed to wait for their GP/see a pharmacist/use some fucking common sense, you know, the ones that rock up at A&E and shouldn’t cause they have not had an accident and it isn’t an emergency – they’ve all stopped showing up as they know they could end up more ill than before they came in.  Don’t they think we have perhaps seen an increase in the ability to discharge and put community care and social care packages in place?  It's amazing how quickly we can work when the alternative is unnecessary death of patients.  Also, picking on police officers – I’ve seen more police presence during lockdown than before – they will be helping out the NHS as this goes forward, ditto fire.  We may run out of ambulance drivers at some point… now can anyone think of services who have advanced drivers already…

In reference to police stepping up… “the reality is probably the exact opposite”.  “PROBABLY”, so you have no fucking idea and are making up some anti-police narrative to suit your leanings.  R1121 – I am with you!  Ditto Villas.

“NHS staff are doing the job they’re paid to do” – yes we are, and we are asking for help from the public by staying the fuck at home, and they can’t even do this.  NHS staff treat patients, it's what we are all there for (including those hated people with a manager title like me).  We don’t treat them under pandemic conditions with our own people dropping like I don’t know what.  Cut us some slack.  A nurse in their first year will have a basic starting salary of £24907 if they start today, without paying in to a pension, that is £393 a week (yes, I know there will be some enhancements but that is only for unsocial hours like nights).

I’ve seen a couple of references to the military – they are here, I come to work every day and walk past some of the armed forces team who are supporting us – it is a little strange, but it is comforting to see them but also helps drive home the scale of the problem.

We do recognise that it is not just about the NHS – we will take the brunt of this – but there is a wider community involved, for example social care and voluntary sector carers, who put themselves in to positions of risk to help care for others.  We, the NHS, respect them and appreciate what they do.  They do all they can to stop people coming to us, and with our own community services, they are a line of defence.


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jimtaylor

Posted: Thu Apr 9, 2020 5:23pm

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Posted: Thu Apr 9, 2020 5:23pm

Colin3920 wrote on Tue Apr 7, 2020 10:43pm:

Dodster.... your either very ignorant or anti police. I'm on the frontline and I can assure you certain crimes  may have reduced however other crimes have increased. Do you honestly think criminals will abide by any lockdown. We are still dealing with car crime... increase in burglaries (com...

...mercial property instead of residential). Increase in domestic violence and online crimes...to name but a few. Two of my colleagues were badly assaulted the weekend and hospitalised and I've already had to deal with two suicides on the railway in last four days... not to mention call after call for mental health and vulnerable people..... but apart from that I may just have a wee toodle around in my police car. I can tell you I as well as my colleagues have no desire to want any special favours for what we do... it's why we joined. But if your gonna post stuff on here about the police get your facts right before you do you ignoramous. 

And another comment from my daughter:

Colin3920 – exactly, criminals don’t stop.  And some disgusting twats are targeting NHS staff.  We’ve had to advise staff to have their ID available but not visible in the car because there have been reports of people trying to steal them.  A doctor in a neighbouring organisation had his bike nicked while he was working.  Commercial properties are sitting vacant now.  Also, there are concerns that domestic violence will spike.  Self harm may increase, and my sympathies in relation to the situations you and your colleagues have had to deal with.


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Posted: Thu Apr 9, 2020 5:29pm

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Posted: Thu Apr 9, 2020 5:29pm

Final comment from my daughter:

I have enough frustrations from people or organisations I have to work with – I sometimes wish I could tell people to fuck off, and stop giving a shit about whether what we are doing is proper, the right thing, the best use of our limited resource, in line with good governance, and the quickest way we can do things safely.  I feel like we are fighting people who should be offering to help us and not trying to muddy the waters.

Right, I need to stop ranting and go and eat something that isn’t crisps or chocolate today. 

Stay indoors, keep away from people, they’re not good for any of us.

Sharon

I have to say that I'm proud of her. She's doing a difficult job in very trying circumstances. Her only intention is to help others, and if you don't like her language at times, then you can blame me for the way I brought her up.


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Posted: Thu Apr 9, 2020 5:39pm

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Posted: Thu Apr 9, 2020 5:39pm

jimtaylor wrote on Thu Apr 9, 2020 5:29pm:

Final comment from my daughter:

I have enough frustrations from people or organisations I have to work with – I sometimes wish I could tell people to fuck off, and stop giving a shit about whether what we are doing is proper, the right thing, the best use of our limited resource, in line with good governance, and the q...

...uickest way we can do things safely.  I feel like we are fighting people who should be offering to help us and not trying to muddy the waters.

Right, I need to stop ranting and go and eat something that isn’t crisps or chocolate today. 

Stay indoors, keep away from people, they’re not good for any of us.

Sharon

I have to say that I'm proud of her. She's doing a difficult job in very trying circumstances. Her only intention is to help others, and if you don't like her language at times, then you can blame me for the way I brought her up.


I think you and Margaret did just fine! Your daughter’s language is much milder than mine, especially when I read some of the opinionated comments that get posted on here at times. When will they realise that their words will undoubtedly upset the very people who we all rely on to keep us safe. Please thank your daughter for taking the time to write some truths.

Villas

Posted: Thu Apr 9, 2020 5:41pm

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Posted: Thu Apr 9, 2020 5:41pm

jimtaylor wrote on Thu Apr 9, 2020 5:22pm:

Another response from my daughter:

Dodster – what the fuck are you talking about?  “some NHS staff are undoubtedly under the cosh… the whole NHS in UK with 1.7 million employees are not”.  Do they think that we don’t have people who’s day job isn’t needed doing something else?  We are 12000 in 1 ...

... organisation, and we are deploying people to where they are needed.  Staff are being very cooperative and flexible and they are going.  What happened to all the patients – well the idiots who couldn’t be arsed to wait for their GP/see a pharmacist/use some fucking common sense, you know, the ones that rock up at A&E and shouldn’t cause they have not had an accident and it isn’t an emergency – they’ve all stopped showing up as they know they could end up more ill than before they came in.  Don’t they think we have perhaps seen an increase in the ability to discharge and put community care and social care packages in place?  It's amazing how quickly we can work when the alternative is unnecessary death of patients.  Also, picking on police officers – I’ve seen more police presence during lockdown than before – they will be helping out the NHS as this goes forward, ditto fire.  We may run out of ambulance drivers at some point… now can anyone think of services who have advanced drivers already…

In reference to police stepping up… “the reality is probably the exact opposite”.  “PROBABLY”, so you have no fucking idea and are making up some anti-police narrative to suit your leanings.  R1121 – I am with you!  Ditto Villas.

“NHS staff are doing the job they’re paid to do” – yes we are, and we are asking for help from the public by staying the fuck at home, and they can’t even do this.  NHS staff treat patients, it's what we are all there for (including those hated people with a manager title like me).  We don’t treat them under pandemic conditions with our own people dropping like I don’t know what.  Cut us some slack.  A nurse in their first year will have a basic starting salary of £24907 if they start today, without paying in to a pension, that is £393 a week (yes, I know there will be some enhancements but that is only for unsocial hours like nights).

I’ve seen a couple of references to the military – they are here, I come to work every day and walk past some of the armed forces team who are supporting us – it is a little strange, but it is comforting to see them but also helps drive home the scale of the problem.

We do recognise that it is not just about the NHS – we will take the brunt of this – but there is a wider community involved, for example social care and voluntary sector carers, who put themselves in to positions of risk to help care for others.  We, the NHS, respect them and appreciate what they do.  They do all they can to stop people coming to us, and with our own community services, they are a line of defence.


Hi. Sitting in my comfortable home, doing my bit as "keeping out of the way", makes me think how lucky we are that those, who many have joined these front-line workers, knowing what is liable to occur at any time!. This time is here with concentrated danger for all who have & are laying down their potential lives for the rest.

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The rest. applause at 8.The least we can do

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Posted: Thu Apr 9, 2020 5:48pm

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Posted: Thu Apr 9, 2020 5:48pm

jimtaylor wrote on Thu Apr 9, 2020 5:29pm:

Final comment from my daughter:

I have enough frustrations from people or organisations I have to work with – I sometimes wish I could tell people to fuck off, and stop giving a shit about whether what we are doing is proper, the right thing, the best use of our limited resource, in line with good governance, and the q...

...uickest way we can do things safely.  I feel like we are fighting people who should be offering to help us and not trying to muddy the waters.

Right, I need to stop ranting and go and eat something that isn’t crisps or chocolate today. 

Stay indoors, keep away from people, they’re not good for any of us.

Sharon

I have to say that I'm proud of her. She's doing a difficult job in very trying circumstances. Her only intention is to help others, and if you don't like her language at times, then you can blame me for the way I brought her up.


Jim she is an Ange!, haters will always hate and we all know you cant please everybody, especially those who use a keyboard to do it..  Keep safe everyone, this is temporay, the sun in shining, the summer is coming, we will get through this, help all of us to help you in which ever role we are doing, much love everyone 

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