Jim's daughter's point of view - Page 2

Dodster wrote on Sat Apr 4, 2020 11:56am:

Thanks Villas....I love facts and the evidence that underpins them. Can you provide some evidence that law enforcement workloads have increased?

Villas wrote on Sat Apr 4, 2020 12:11pm:

Yes Dodster,

As I live in Spain,(& have for many years). I can only speak "word of mouth" as regards the increased work-load & extra hours & overtime that has been applied to the local & guardia civil officers (from those I have spoken to).

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I am no expert (only by reading,exploring) & understanding in many incidents including the use of the military to "back-up" those that are already stretched in this unusual situation. By searching yourself (without me explaining) you will discover the facts. There are many sites which may aid you, UK & internationally. 

quote:  In addition to core policing activities, there are a number of activities that have been suggested could fall within the responsibility of police during a pandemic. These include, policing curfews and protecting medical staff and supplies. Clearly these additional activities add an extra burden to likely stretched resources. They also expose police staff to increased risk of infection and must be considered in the light of other pressing demands upon police time. Having said that, the open question if the police do not carry out these tasks is who else would? LINK:

https://policinginsight.com/features/analysis/policing-the-pandemic-managing-the-police-response-to-the-coronavirus/

Hope this helps.

Regards & stay safe.

Villas

Dodster wrote on Sat Apr 4, 2020 3:13pm:

Thanks Villas....this is helpful but only to make my point really rather than undermine it. If you read the article again, you will see that the quote you have provided is only speculative i.e. what could happen not what is happening. Police are not currently enforcing curfews in UK because there...

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... are no curfews. It is written in the context that the role of the police is not clearly articulated in various contingency plans that authorities put in place but could include policing curfews etc. The other criticism of the article is that there is no recognition of a reduction in normal core policing activities so everything is net additional.This is fundamentally incorrect for the reasons I set out initially. 

Good debate though!

Take care too

Villas wrote on Sat Apr 4, 2020 4:04pm:

Thanks for your comment & tried to answer to your question:

"Can you provide some evidence that law enforcement workloads have increased?"

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Quoting: Policinginsight.com: "Clearly these additional activities add an extra burden to likely stretched resources." (hence military assistance).

With personal observation & together with those working in that field, with other & enforcement agencies,I believe answers your question. If you need, there is much more (for you to view) & to  to verify this fact.

Yes good discussion, thank you for your opinions.

Keep safe.

Villas

r1121 wrote on Sat Apr 4, 2020 10:58am:

As a front line police officer in the UK  I am quite upset by this. Our demands are different not less, especially as other agencies are more and more unavailable, mental health crisis, social services, local authorities etc, and of course we have to now police the new enforcement powers.&nb...

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...sp; We of course like the NHS are human and also get ILL,  so our numbers too are lower than normal.  Many of the homes we go into are self isolating or have the virus,  domestics are more common unfortunately, sudden deaths for the virus are common regretfully but if they happen at home police still need to attend.  We deal with the most vulnerable in society who will spit and cough on us for pleasure sometimes.  Unfortunately our role will be never be popular with some members of the community, but I assure everyone in the UK we are as busy as ever on the front line supporting our NH# colleagues trying to keep people safe. 

Villas wrote on Sat Apr 4, 2020 4:04pm:

Thanks for your comment & tried to answer to your question:

"Can you provide some evidence that law enforcement workloads have increased?"

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Quoting: Policinginsight.com: "Clearly these additional activities add an extra burden to likely stretched resources." (hence military assistance).

With personal observation & together with those working in that field, with other & enforcement agencies,I believe answers your question. If you need, there is much more (for you to view) & to  to verify this fact.

Yes good discussion, thank you for your opinions.

Keep safe.

Villas

Villas wrote on Sat Apr 4, 2020 8:21pm:

https://www.valledeelda.com/noticias/15203-moel20.html

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Dodster wrote on Sun Apr 5, 2020 8:14am:

Thanks Villas....although my comments were UK specific and you're citing Spanish situation .

Dodster wrote on Sat Apr 4, 2020 10:19am:

Interesting perspective and highlights that whilst some NHS staff are undoubtedly under the cosh and quite frankly heroic...the inconvenient truth is that the whole NHS in UK with 1.7 million employees are not. In that context, some of the hyperbole is misplaced. There are also significant concer...

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...ns in the UK about treatment for any non-Covid 19 illnesses right now with absolutely no questioning from the media. For example there was an article in the papers this morning about the Edinburgh Royal Infirmary bed space normally being fully occupied but wards are now emptied in readiness for Covid 19 patients. The obvious question would surely be whats happened to all the patients....presumably they either needed to be in hospital or not? I think this displacement effect will become bigger news over coming weeks.

Another interesting feature of the Covid crisis is that police officers are being singled out for particular praise and perks such as priority shopping hours. Where we live in Tayside, Scotland, there is an obvious and unusual show of police presence tootling about in there wee cars but the harsh reality is that their workload must have reduced enormously. Think about it. Effects of lockdown.....no bar brawls at the weekend, fewer burglaries because everyone's at home, reduced shoplifting, very few RTAs, no football matches or large events to police. Again the narrative seems to be that police are stepping up in the face of the crisis whereas the reality is probably the exact opposite.