Use of face masks - Page 15

John 52 wrote on Fri Jun 4, 2021 11:47am:

Morning  Aitch ,I read the link you provided ,disagreement between politicians ,same as with rank and file ,but it now seems as if masks are least of worries ,at least for UK citizens  ,its now the green list ,if a country is on green list ,how long  will it stay on it ,I also thin...

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...k the public deserve a bit more clarity on what the criteria should be for a country to be placed on green list , it shouldn't be a secret society, I  thought Richard Madely made  a good point on GMB this morning  when he said we seem to be in a worse place than last year and that's with a large percentage of population  being  vaccinated  ,you can only be cautious for so long 

Villas wrote on Wed Jun 2, 2021 7:45am:

 As is: .....(was).....Updated 0624 GMT (1424 HKT) March 31, 2020 

[World Health Organization officials Monday said they still recommend people not wear face masks unless they are sick with Covid-19 or caring for someone who is sick.]

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https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/30/world/coronavirus-who-masks-recommendation-trnd/index.html

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aitchc1401 wrote on Fri Jun 4, 2021 1:29pm:

Hi John,

        I saw Grant Shapps talking about why Portugal were going onto the Amber list and it was a a combination of infection rates, vaccination numbers and new variants. I found the attached guide from Which when looking for any articles that explained the reasoning. &nbs...

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https://www.which.co.uk/news/2021/06/travel-traffic-light-green-list-countries-where-holiday-abroad/

 I suppose you can agree or disagree with Madely, I disagree. Last year in June we had more lockdown restrictions, we had no vaccines and people in the main, especially those over 60, were frightened to leave their home for fear of catching covid.  As of today most places are open (some with restricted numbers), the vast majority have had at least their first vaccine and life in the UK is more or less normal, albeit with social distancing, mask wearing in certain settings and hand washing still being the norm. You are in Spain, I am planning to travel end of next week.  That to me is a much better scenario.

 We need to finish the vaccination programmes in the UK and Europe and then look towards a more open society in the second half of the year. 

Aitch.

John 52 wrote on Sat Jun 5, 2021 11:30am:

Well Aitch I wish you well with your trip next week ,but how anyone can book a trip with any confidence is beyond me ,I had to take the bull by the horns and even then the only option open to me was to drive .This government is making things  up  as they go ,no logic to their decisions,...

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... I watched Victoria  Atkins ,minister for making things up the other morning  and not for first time  ,completely clueless  unable or unwilling to answer simple questions as has been the case all along with Worzel Johnsons government  ,so I'm.afraid I agree with Richard Madely and think we aren't in a better position than last year ,regards travel and people being able to take back control of their lives ,it will be very interesting to hear their statement on 14 June 

aitchc1401 wrote on Sat Jun 5, 2021 12:41pm:

Hi John,

         that's okay we can agree to disagree. Speaking of confusion over covid restrictions I see that the French have now decided people can go to France from the 9th June, as long as they have had their vaccinations at least 2 weeks previous. I found that a bit confusi...

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...ng with the covid infections on the rise in the UK. Anyhow it means if people want to drive to Spain from the UK they can do so again as long as they are fully vaccinated. It's actually a better policy than Spain has who require nothing from UK travellers.

  Our return flight from Spain was cancelled last night so we are looking around for a alternative. Plenty of flights just the question of will they fly? We have no real problem with booking a trip as we are totally flexible, anyone constrained by dates might as well book in the UK. Still got our bags (and masks) packed.

Nice and sunny here at the moment.

Aitch.

aitchc1401 wrote on Sat Jun 5, 2021 12:27am:

Hi Bodil,

        thanks fr the links, as far as I can tell, and they are very hard to understand for me, they are not testing of the current vaccines that are in use for covid19.  I do not see any reference to fact checking on long term testing, or am I missing something?

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Aitch.

Bodil wrote on Sat Jun 5, 2021 1:46pm:

There are no longitudinal studies of the present Covid vaccines. 

The links are from previous animal studies with mainly vector vaccines. 

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Developing antibodies after a vaccine is normally an expected and positive thing. Antibodies (from vaccines or from recovering from a previous infection) are key to getting our immune systems to properly fight a virus.

After developing antibodies to a disease, our immune system may overreact  next time it gets exposed to a virus, this is called antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE). The antibodies involved in ADE don't help the body's immune response.  ADE increases the chance that a person will develop severe symptoms of a disease when they are infected.

This is what happened in previous animal studies where most/all animals died when exposed to another virus (viral challenge).

Below is a discussion of the safety of the current spike protein vaccines. Conclusion is that then do not know if ADE will happen, we have not had sufficient time yet, but if it does, there may be drugs to help the situation.

https://gvn.org/antibody-dependent-enhancement-and-sars-cov-2/

On a personal note, I find it very worrying that without this knowledge, they will now give children (who are at minimal risk from Covid) the vaccine. 

I am also questioning if the reluctance to open up, is a worry of ADE with mutant viruses. in vaccinated people. 

Bodil wrote on Sat Jun 5, 2021 1:46pm:

There are no longitudinal studies of the present Covid vaccines. 

The links are from previous animal studies with mainly vector vaccines. 

Read more...

Developing antibodies after a vaccine is normally an expected and positive thing. Antibodies (from vaccines or from recovering from a previous infection) are key to getting our immune systems to properly fight a virus.

After developing antibodies to a disease, our immune system may overreact  next time it gets exposed to a virus, this is called antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE). The antibodies involved in ADE don't help the body's immune response.  ADE increases the chance that a person will develop severe symptoms of a disease when they are infected.

This is what happened in previous animal studies where most/all animals died when exposed to another virus (viral challenge).

Below is a discussion of the safety of the current spike protein vaccines. Conclusion is that then do not know if ADE will happen, we have not had sufficient time yet, but if it does, there may be drugs to help the situation.

https://gvn.org/antibody-dependent-enhancement-and-sars-cov-2/

On a personal note, I find it very worrying that without this knowledge, they will now give children (who are at minimal risk from Covid) the vaccine. 

I am also questioning if the reluctance to open up, is a worry of ADE with mutant viruses. in vaccinated people.