Does 4th world exist? - Page 3

RJA wrote on Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:24pm:

You are confusing Schengen and the EU freedom of movement.

Schengen never guaranteed freedom of movement, that instead was a foundational EU principle that applies to the whole of the EU.

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The UK was never part of Schengen, instead it has the Common Travel Area, which includes Ireland (which is not in Schengen).  Indeed, Brexit had the effect of needing to formalise the Common Travel Area.

Villas wrote on Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:43pm:

[EU citizens – meaning the citizens of every EU member state – are free to travel in all other member states. The countries that have signed the Schengen Agreement do not have border checks between the signatory countries. No visa is necessary inside the Schengen Area. There is common border ...

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...control in the Area. A visa issued for one country is valid for the whole Schengen Area.]

https://europarlamentti.info/en/European-union/significance-of-the-EU/freedom-of-travel/

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RJA wrote on Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:52pm:

Border checks and visas are not the same as freedom of movement.

UK citizens did not need a visa pre-brexit because UK citizens qualified as EU citizens, and then this applied:

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"EU citizens – meaning the citizens of every EU member state – are free to travel in all other member states."

The point re Schengen visas is that a visa issued to a non-EU citizen by Holland is valid for travel to Spain, and vice versa.

As I mentioned before Ireland is not in the Schengen area, however Irish citizens have freedom of movement within the EU as Ireland remains an EU member state.

Mrmike wrote on Tue Oct 17, 2023 1:41am:

My Neighbours of over 5 yrs from N Africa regularly have friends and relations over for prolonged periods well beyond the 90 days.

Several other families also without jobs and not paying their rent seem to be able to stay for years and owners of the properties appear to have their hands tied. They have children maybe that makes a differenc?
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Wilbur wrote on Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:40pm:

He's like that fella off TV ..Norris in Coronation Street.  A right little nosey busy body. Knows everything about everybody.

Keeps him away from traffic on the main  roads I suppose. 

Bubsy wrote on Wed Oct 18, 2023 6:17pm:

There are some Spanish territories in North Africa.

Mrmike wrote on Tue Oct 17, 2023 1:41am:

My Neighbours of over 5 yrs from N Africa regularly have friends and relations over for prolonged periods well beyond the 90 days.

Several other families also without jobs and not paying their rent seem to be able to stay for years and owners of the properties appear to have their hands tied. They have children maybe that makes a differenc?
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Mrmike wrote on Thu Oct 19, 2023 8:48am:

I presume you are British with no contact with your neighbours, and little or no knowledge of other languages.

And I know nothing about Coronation street or other British. soap trash. I am too ignorant for that I suppose, or perhaps I don't have time because I am interogating the locals.

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Please keep your insults to your own circle of acquintances.

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p.s. The local vice president of this "Enclave"  ( a couple of doors away)  grabs my wife for a good ear hole bash whenever their paths cross. (Burnt bins and cars, deaths, murders and the latest - Gypsies no less !  "Torreta II Ghetto" Good stuff this !!!!!!!

Mrmike wrote on Mon Oct 16, 2023 9:15am:

Are the British 4th world citizens since Brexit? I see many non EU citizens coming and going, staying as long as they want, clearly not adhering to the 90/180 rule, it would seem without any control. Are we just being punished for Brexit and Gib?

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marcliff wrote on Mon Oct 16, 2023 9:28am:

Really? You see many? Yet the chat sites from the US and Canada are full of those who have been fined for overstaying in Schengen whilst I've only seen one on a Brit site and that was after several months.

Brits being punished is simply playing the victim card. EU in general and Spain in particular bent over backwards to help Brits retain their rights in Europe. Letters were sent, adverts in all the papers (Brit free ones especially) and countries being told to set up schemes to assist the Brits in...

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... any way they could. 

The "punishment" bit comes from UK press and especially the Mail and Express. 

Would be grateful for any real stories about these "many" non EU overstaying the 90 days in 180.