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pmb1963

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Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2021 5:49pm

Growing Old Disgracefully wrote on Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:08am:

Good question.  This is still a new process for us Brits and only a relatively small number have gone through the process so far and obtained their visa.

Unless someone who has already obtained their visa has been in a similar position and is prepared to share their financial details (age, size of pension pot and how they presented this as income) then this may be a case where it would be worth paying for definitive advice from a Spanish lawyer wh...

...o has experience of helping other nationalities to get their visas.

If you do find out then I'm sure that there would be many others on this forum who would be keen to know the answer.

Good luck.

I am in a similar position re my SIPP and asked Sun Lawyers if this would count towards meeting the affordability criteria.

Although not definitive, he felt the size of the pension pot would count in the same way savings do but subject to deductions for tax if you are currently drawing on the pension.

I'm not yet looking for residency but probably will in a few years when brexit has settled down.

Helen High waters

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Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:10pm

Hi i havent got income of £27 k . I was told to get residency you have to make sure you have £27 k in your bank . I have some left over from hiuse and hoping to do a little top up job 

tebo53

Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:14pm

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Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:14pm

Helen High waters wrote on Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:10pm:

Hi i havent got income of £27 k . I was told to get residency you have to make sure you have £27 k in your bank . I have some left over from hiuse and hoping to do a little top up job 

Do you live in Spain now or in the UK? There are other requirements to gain residency including full healthcare. 

Steve 

Helen High waters

Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2021 7:42am

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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2021 7:42am

tebo53 wrote on Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:14pm:

Do you live in Spain now or in the UK? There are other requirements to gain residency including full healthcare. 

Steve 

Hi am in the process of buying place in playa flamenca. My solicitor has power of attorney . I am looking at private health care with gran alacant insurance as they seem to be the most reasonable. Think solicitor is doing visa first as mentioned health care and sorting house firstly. . I took early retirement and have worked out funds as  spain is cheaper to live in but health care does seem expensive. Thanks for that and any more tips please send them my way as would be grateful. Cheers 

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Helen High waters wrote on Thu Aug 19, 2021 7:42am:

Hi am in the process of buying place in playa flamenca. My solicitor has power of attorney . I am looking at private health care with gran alacant insurance as they seem to be the most reasonable. Think solicitor is doing visa first as mentioned health care and sorting house firstly. . I took ear...

...ly retirement and have worked out funds as  spain is cheaper to live in but health care does seem expensive. Thanks for that and any more tips please send them my way as would be grateful. Cheers 

Are you a UK citizen or from a country that's an EU member state? If UK then £27k should be okay for the first year NLV but for year 2 where you need to demonstrate a further 2 years financial resources will you have £54k? then again at year 4 etc.

Also the NLV has to be applied for in your country of residence - UK for you? If you fail to be granted one you might find you can only use your new house for 90 days each 180. If your solicitor is in Spain, my understanding is, they won't be able to apply for residency on your behalf.

Might be wise to revisit your plan working on any assumptions you might have made.   

Clearly if you are Irish then ignore most of what I've written.

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Growing Old Disgracefully

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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2021 10:14am

pmb1963 wrote on Wed Aug 18, 2021 5:49pm:

I am in a similar position re my SIPP and asked Sun Lawyers if this would count towards meeting the affordability criteria.

Although not definitive, he felt the size of the pension pot would count in the same way savings do but subject to deductions for tax if you are currently drawing on the pension....

...

I'm not yet looking for residency but probably will in a few years when brexit has settled down.

While it is helpful to hear the view of these lawyers it does leave me a little confused. I can't understand the reasoning behind deducting tax paid.

Any withdrawals from a UK SIPP would be taxable in Spain once you are tax resident in the country, so why would they only accept a figure net of tax?

It makes me wonder if they are looking for net amounts from all pensions (state pension, defined benefit etc), which would increase the income requirements quite substantially.

pmb1963

Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2021 10:50am

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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2021 10:50am

Growing Old Disgracefully wrote on Thu Aug 19, 2021 10:14am:

While it is helpful to hear the view of these lawyers it does leave me a little confused. I can't understand the reasoning behind deducting tax paid.

Any withdrawals from a UK SIPP would be taxable in Spain once you are tax resident in the country, so why would they only accept a figure net of tax?

It makes me wonder if they are looking for net amounts from all pensions (state pension, defined benefit etc), which would increase the income requirements quite substantially.

My view on this is that when you ask for the value of your (private) pension you always get a gross value but when drawings are taken they are of course paid net of tax. So yes it is unclear if the gross or net figure is acceptable.

Would be useful to hear how wages are treated in the affordability check ie gross or net. Sorry for adding more questions to the original post!!

tebo53

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Helen High waters wrote on Thu Aug 19, 2021 7:42am:

Hi am in the process of buying place in playa flamenca. My solicitor has power of attorney . I am looking at private health care with gran alacant insurance as they seem to be the most reasonable. Think solicitor is doing visa first as mentioned health care and sorting house firstly. . I took ear...

...ly retirement and have worked out funds as  spain is cheaper to live in but health care does seem expensive. Thanks for that and any more tips please send them my way as would be grateful. Cheers 

As already mentioned, you will need, initially to apply for a visa at the Spanish embassy in the country you normally reside. You will be required to meet the income and healthcare requirements. You seem reluctant to say where you are living, Do you normally live the UK? 

Steve 

Kimmy11

Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2021 11:46am

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Lancelot wrote on Thu Aug 19, 2021 8:21am:

Are you a UK citizen or from a country that's an EU member state? If UK then £27k should be okay for the first year NLV but for year 2 where you need to demonstrate a further 2 years financial resources will you have £54k? then again at year 4 etc.

Also the NLV has to be applied for in your country of residence - UK for you? If you fail to be granted one you might find you can only use your new house for 90 days each 180. If your solicitor is in Spain, my understanding is, they won't be able to apply for residency on your behalf....

...

Might be wise to revisit your plan working on any assumptions you might have made.   

Clearly if you are Irish then ignore most of what I've written.

If Helen is Irish, she shouldn't be applying for an NLV, or any other Spanish visa for that matter.  However, if she's a UK citizen, I hope she has a written quote from the Spanish lawyer she thinks is applying for her visa.  This route could result in her incurring significant unnecessary costs for something she needs to be initiating in her country of origin 🤔

Helen High waters

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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2021 11:50am

tebo53 wrote on Thu Aug 19, 2021 11:10am:

As already mentioned, you will need, initially to apply for a visa at the Spanish embassy in the country you normally reside. You will be required to meet the income and healthcare requirements. You seem reluctant to say where you are living, Do you normally live the UK? 

Steve 

Ha ha not reluctant at all lol . Wolverhampton to be specific . Have just spoke with my solicitor and he reassured me that €3 k a month or have € 27 k in bank every-time they check for 5 years . Thanks for your info . All help gratefully recieved  

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