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Robbie Sharon

Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:12am

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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:12am

Kimmy11 wrote on Thu Mar 25, 2021 10:29pm:

Hi Robbie Sharon,

As things stand, you can't travel to Spain, unless for the following exceptions:

"Permitted reasons to enter Spain after 30 March 2021

"From 6pm (GMT+1) on 30 March 2021 (5pm / GMT in the Canary Islands), passenger travel between the UK and Spain will resume, however entry restrictions and testing requirements will remain in force. Only Spanish citizens, those who are legally resident in Spain or those who can demonstrate through documentary evidence an essential need to enter Spain, will be allowed to enter the country. Permitted circumstances include:

Holders of a long-stay visa issued by a Member State or Schengen Associated State, who are travelling onto said country.Health professionals, including health researchers, and elderly care professionals who are going to or returning from essential work.Transport personnel, seafarers and aeronautical personnel.Diplomatic, consular, international organizations, military, civil protection and members of humanitarian organizations.Students who carry out their studies in the Member States or Schengen Associated States and who have the corresponding permit or visa and medical insurance, provided that they are travelling to the country where they are studying, and that entry occurs during the academic year or 15 days previous.Highly skilled essential workers whose work cannot be postponed or carried out remotely, including participants in high-level sports events due to take place in Spain.People traveling for imperative family reasons who can demonstrate an essential need to travel.

"All of the circumstances above must be justified by documentary evidence. You should be aware that you may be questioned on arrival by Spanish border authorities to ensure you meet the entry requirements. Spanish border authorities will only grant entry if they are satisfied that your journey to Spain is essential and reserve the right to deny passage."

Kind regards, 

Kim

Hi Kim thanks for your reply, I was informed as long as I had appointments to view property I would be allowed to enter. We did travel Feb last year in search of a home but haven't been able to return for more viewing. Seeing pictures and videos is not the same as being there in person, but I will definitely be checking your comments as don't want to be turned away at the airport.

Thanks

Robbie and Sharon 

Kimmy11

Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:44am

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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:44am

Hi Robbie,

Yes, the UK Government has caused much confusion In the last 48 hours because they published the rules by which they allow people to LEAVE the UK, but didn't make it sufficiently clear that the country of destination sets the rules on which you're allowed to ENTER.  Spain does not permit entry for any reasons other than those stated in my earlier post.

Kind regards,  

Kim

bobtastic

Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:26am

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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:26am

Yes, as the lovely Kimmy said, the UK decides who can leave its shores but it doesn't decide who can enter other countries. So while the UK says they will consider people viewing properties as an essential reason to travel out of the country, it's up to the country you want to view the property in as to whether that is a good enough reason to enter it, and like Spain, I'd expect few, if any, to view it as an essential reason to enter.

Ironically, while the Uk considers it a good enough reason to leave its shore, they don't consider it a good enough reason to enter. So, for instance, if a Spanish person wanted to view a property in the UK they wouldn't be allowed in.

When it comes to international travel, there are always at least two countries involved, and all need to be in agreement as to what constitutes essential travel. At present, the UK and Spain disagree.

Robbie Sharon

Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:05pm

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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:05pm

bobtastic wrote on Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:26am:

Yes, as the lovely Kimmy said, the UK decides who can leave its shores but it doesn't decide who can enter other countries. So while the UK says they will consider people viewing properties as an essential reason to travel out of the country, it's up to the country you want to view the property i...

...n as to whether that is a good enough reason to enter it, and like Spain, I'd expect few, if any, to view it as an essential reason to enter.

Ironically, while the Uk considers it a good enough reason to leave its shore, they don't consider it a good enough reason to enter. So, for instance, if a Spanish person wanted to view a property in the UK they wouldn't be allowed in.

When it comes to international travel, there are always at least two countries involved, and all need to be in agreement as to what constitutes essential travel. At present, the UK and Spain disagree.

Hi bobtastic yes totally understand that the confusion came from Spanish estate agents saying we would be allowed to enter. But grateful for help from people on this site as usual they seem to know what's going on and help others like myself 👍

bobtastic

Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:49pm

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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:49pm

As I said previously, they will say literally anything. Facts and truth don't come into it! Good luck with your property search.

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Davebev1

Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 8:45pm

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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 8:45pm

bobtastic wrote on Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:58am:

About 90% of estate agents in Spain, particularly the costas, and more particularly the British run ones, are either con merchants, incompetent, or both. Believe nothing they tell you and don't assume the houses on their websites are for sale, most are not. Don't even expect the houses they offer...

... to show you are for sale, as again most are not. When they pick you up from the airport they will inform you that the bargain house you flew over to see sold this morning but they have lots of other ones to show you, that will be more expensive and of lower quality. NEVER give them money. They will pressurise you into paying for all sorts of things and promise you the earth in return but it's all mostly lies. Estate agents in Spain have never been the most trustworthy businesses but since lockdown and the phenomenon of people buying over the phone or after a very quick one-time-only viewing, they have got a lot worse.

Sorry but I have a lot of dealings with reputable agents and I can say that they do not carry a majority of properties that are not for sale!  there are rogue agents, (I avoid them) and there are good agents.  There are untrained sales people and there are properly trained sales people.  Don't tar them all with the same brush.  No agent I know (even bad ones) will show a property that isn't on the market!

I agree that a person looking to buy should pay all their money via their own fully independent legal representative.  

Davebev1

Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 8:48pm

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Robbie Sharon wrote on Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:12am:

Hi Kim thanks for your reply, I was informed as long as I had appointments to view property I would be allowed to enter. We did travel Feb last year in search of a home but haven't been able to return for more viewing. Seeing pictures and videos is not the same as being there in person, but I wil...

...l definitely be checking your comments as don't want to be turned away at the airport.

Thanks

Robbie and Sharon 

Kimmy is correct.  The UK have given new reasons for people to be allowed to leave the UK but, as yet, Spain have not said these are valid reasons for entering Spain.  It is regularly reviewed so let's see what they say next week.  

bobtastic

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:49am

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Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:49am

Davebev1 wrote on Fri Mar 26, 2021 8:45pm:

Sorry but I have a lot of dealings with reputable agents and I can say that they do not carry a majority of properties that are not for sale!  there are rogue agents, (I avoid them) and there are good agents.  There are untrained sales people and there are properly trained sales people....

...  Don't tar them all with the same brush.  No agent I know (even bad ones) will show a property that isn't on the market!

I agree that a person looking to buy should pay all their money via their own fully independent legal representative.  

No need to apologize, we just have different experiences. Perhaps linked to our locations? Who knows. All I can comment is my experiences, which aligns with what I've said above.

Davebev1

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:53am

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Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:53am

bobtastic wrote on Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:49am:

No need to apologize, we just have different experiences. Perhaps linked to our locations? Who knows. All I can comment is my experiences, which aligns with what I've said above.

You may have had a bad experience but no need to tar "90%" of them because of a few bad apples. Every industry has good and bad companies.

My personal view is that paid-for-by-agent viewing trips, where the buyer is tied to a sales person for the whole visit, is not the best way to find a property, but there are people who do this and are happy with the result.

Robbie Sharon

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 1:11pm

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Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 1:11pm

Davebev1 wrote on Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:53am:

You may have had a bad experience but no need to tar "90%" of them because of a few bad apples. Every industry has good and bad companies.

My personal view is that paid-for-by-agent viewing trips, where the buyer is tied to a sales person for the whole visit, is not the best way to find a property, but there are people who do this and are happy with the result....

...

Hi I'm not necessarily going to buy I just want to see the properties what the size is and what is around the area only then will I know if the area is what I'm looking for and if it's big enough for my needs as it's too hard to judge with the way some pictures are taken 

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