I wasn’t wanting to get into the nitty gritty but I can assure you they do have PPE. The analogy I was trying to exemplify was that when things are not explicit, as in the U.K., people interpret it as they see fit. In Spain, the requirements are rather more explicit and therefore easier to follow. I’m not sure what’s not compulsory? This is a nursing home with vulnerable older people. Sure, they take their PPE off to go home but getting into a taxi when non of them, including the driver, is wearing a mask can hardly be considered a wise move. I think the residents could rightly expect their carers not to display such a cavalier attitude to social distancing
Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:03am
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Angebadge wrote on Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:13pm:
I wasn’t wanting to get into the nitty gritty but I can assure you they do have PPE. The analogy I was trying to exemplify was that when things are not explicit, as in the U.K., people interpret it as they see fit. In Spain, the requirements are rather more explicit and therefore easier to foll...
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...ow. I’m not sure what’s not compulsory? This is a nursing home with vulnerable older people. Sure, they take their PPE off to go home but getting into a taxi when non of them, including the driver, is wearing a mask can hardly be considered a wise move. I think the residents could rightly expect their carers not to display such a cavalier attitude to social distancing
As far as I understand it, neither here nor in the U.K. is the wearing of masks compulsory other than in, for example, Residencia, hospitals etc. The majority may well choose to wear them when out in public, but I assure you, not everyone does. And there are two schools of thought as to their efficacy, or not.
MichaelLaSiesta wrote on Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:13pm:
Seems from reading all these posts, and others on the same subject, common sense seems to not apply in Spain. If two people live together - eat together, sleep together, etc etc - what is the problem with going out as a couple to do something as mundane as shopping? If they sleep in t...
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...he same bed, or relatively close together, why does one have to sit in the back seat while the other drives? I just don't get it.
I'm marooned at home in England itching to visit my Spanish property again but am being patient like the rest of us who are unable to fly. While the social distancing rules are being applied here as well they seem to be applied with a bit more thought and common sense. There is nothing wrong with going out as a couple, or even as a family for the standard "once a day exercise/dog walk" etc. I get the impression from reading on here, and other places, that if you do that in Spain you're in big trouble. I think that's just stupid if true.
I'm not advocating being reckless and making close contact with strangers every day but surely a bit of logic has to be applied here. People here are (mostly) being particular when they walk the streets - when you cross someone's path you or the other party seems to be giving the other a very wide berth. I've never seen so many people walking, or jogging, down the middle of a road! I watch the news, and I know that Spain is being hit hard by this virus. But so is the UK so I don't see why there can't be a universal approach to it where possible.
Totally agree! Get in the back of the car and go in the shop on your own!
ChristineC wrote on Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:31pm:
Simple solution
1. get taxi there
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2. Do shopping
3. Get taxi home
= you get some excercise, you also get the essentials you need.
2 Happy bunnies, 🐰🐇 excercise done, ✅
shopping done and problem solved ✔💯
This does comply with the rules! But how is a taxi driver different from your spouse?? 🤔. Apart from a taxi driver is seeing a lot more people than a couple living in lockdown 🤷♂️
Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:21am
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Yes, Ray, In principle I don’t disagree with you. My two previous comments were made, perhaps unreasonably, in irritation at the apparently condemnatory statements about three care home workers, who were probably shattered at the end of a shift.
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Morning Ray. I give up! I know guidance/rules are difficult to adhere to sometimes. I would argue rules are easier to live with as they’re clear cut, regardless of our agreement or not. I guess it’s human nature to think “we” are exceptions to the rules. There’s a married couple a few doors away from me in Spain, her husband has quite advanced Alzheimer’s; there would be no way she could leave home without him, or leave him in the car if she were able to take him. They do have some very good friends and I can only hope that they are able to help.
Running alongside guidance/rules is “is this morally right to do”. Your wife’s cousin appears to to have made her choices. Not sure they’d be mine!
On a lighter not, at least can buy alcohol. At the point of lockdown in SA, if you hadn’t got it, tough! You can’t buy it now🤪🥂
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Sorry, I thought I’d answered that?
Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:30am
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“Quote: “Running alongside guidance/rules is “is this morally right to do”. Your wife’s cousin appears to to have made her choices. Not sure they’d be mine!”
Morality is not necessarily the same across the world and to a great extent is a cultural construct; based in the U.K. mainly upon Church given interpretations of Christianity. I do not believe there is a black and white definition thereof, and what may be acceptable to one’s own sense of morality, may not be perceived as such by others.
Stephanie86 wrote on Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:21am:
Yes, Ray, In principle I don’t disagree with you. My two previous comments were made, perhaps unreasonably, in irritation at the apparently condemnatory statements about three care home workers, who were probably shattered at the end of a shift.
My apologies if you found my observations to be both irritating and condemnatory. I’m acutely aware of how exhausting their shift may have been. I do however believe that as care givers, they have an obligation, as far as practical, to keep themselves and the residents they care for safe.
Care work historically is not always well paid, therefore I appreciate the need to share the cost of the taxi. I do however think that sharing a taxi that may have done many more journeys without being thoroughly cleaned, without some PPE, somewhat irresponsible
Stephanie86 wrote on Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:30am:
“Quote: “Running alongside guidance/rules is “is this morally right to do”. Your wife’s cousin appears to to have made her choices. Not sure they’d be mine!”
Morality is not necessarily the same across the world and to a great extent is a cultural construct; based in the U.K. mainly upon Church given interpretations of Christianity. I do not believe there is a black and white definition thereof, and what may be acceptable to one’s own sense of moral...
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...ity, may not be perceived as such by others.
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