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Lukas

Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 1:54pm

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Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 1:54pm

8102Mko wrote on Thu Aug 26, 2021 1:36pm:

It’s politicians like Lucia Martin that are aggravating this problem & stopping laws being enforced then guys like Jorge are filling the void created. 
As for the likes of serial squatters like Javier you’d definitely have to ask if there’s a link between him & those who see...

...k to remove him. 
Again I wonder why with all the ex servicemen living along the Costa’s no expat firm has started up legitimately doing what Jorge is doing ? 

Why would an expat-run company be any better? Honest question, I don't see the difference. And it would be even worse for public image.

Keith001

Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 2:17pm

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Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 2:17pm

This is Linda Pressly's (BBC journalist) reply to my email. The tone of her reply doesn't seem filled with enthusiasm, but fingers crossed.

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Hi Keith

Thanks for your email about this…

And I’m sorry to hear about your difficulties…

If any of our colleagues pick up on our stories and get in touch, I will give them your contact.

Kindest regards

LP   

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8102Mko

Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:56pm

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Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:56pm

Lukas wrote on Thu Aug 26, 2021 1:54pm:

Why would an expat-run company be any better? Honest question, I don't see the difference. And it would be even worse for public image.

For one there’s the language where most of the clients would be speaking English. It’d bridge the cultural gap between the different nationalities. Secondly there shouldn’t be any possible link between them & the squatters. Third they could adopt a different way of getting the job done.   Word can get around very quickly that a firm isn’t one to mess with.
Once that’s done & I’ve seen it in practice all that’s needed then is a small plaque with their name on it. It says that house is protected.
One such firm I knew charged £5 a week for the privilege of their name on the front gate of a house, it went to up to £10 where there were a number of different tenants. 

I’m not saying the firms mentioned here already won’t get them out for you but you have to be prepared to give them a few thousand €€’s & give them a few more thousand €€’s to give to the squatters. There’s no guarantee at the end of the day the squatters pal won’t turn up a few days later. 

Lukas

Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 6:38pm

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Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 6:38pm

Makes sense, 8102Mko. Cheers for your thoughts!

8102Mko

Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 6:43pm

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Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 6:43pm

Lukas wrote on Thu Aug 26, 2021 6:38pm:

Makes sense, 8102Mko. Cheers for your thoughts!

No prob, there’s no easy answer to this problem

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Karen204

Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 7:51pm

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Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 7:51pm

Has anyone any experience of success taking civil action - as explained below??Ines Soria, Judge Dean of Barakaldo, says:

′′ Squatters can be expelled in a civilian way in 5 days, but people ignore this and turn to criminal law, to the guardian court to report for inertia, but in the Civil procedure there is a more nimble way.

If the other party does not submit documents or evidence, you can agree to the launch of the ′′ ignored occupants ′′ which is as they are called in the legal language because of difficulty in identification, in 5 days, without prejudice to take to trial later."


Keith001

Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:20am

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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:20am

Karen204 wrote on Fri Aug 27, 2021 7:51pm:

Has anyone any experience of success taking civil action - as explained below??Ines Soria, Judge Dean of Barakaldo, says:

′′ Squatters can be expelled in a civilian way in 5 days, but people ignore this and turn to criminal law, to the guardian court to report for inertia, but in the Civil ...

...procedure there is a more nimble way.

If the other party does not submit documents or evidence, you can agree to the launch of the ′′ ignored occupants ′′ which is as they are called in the legal language because of difficulty in identification, in 5 days, without prejudice to take to trial later."


Hi Karen 

I actually don't have a clue what she's saying but maybe someone else will know.

"Dice Inés Soria, Jueza Decana de Barakaldo:

"Se puede expulsar a unos okupas por vía civil en 5 días, pero la gente lo desconoce y acude al Derecho Penal, al Juzgado de guardia a denunciar por inercia, pero en el procedimiento Civil hay una vía más ágil.

Si la otra parte no presenta documentos o pruebas, se puede acordar el lanzamiento de los "ignorados ocupantes" que es como se les denomina en el lenguaje jurídico por la dificultad de identificación, en 5 días, sin perjuicio de que haya un juicio posterior."

Tal como lo leo en un foro jurídico, lo comparto; porque esto es uno de los temas que requiere una reforma urgente de nuestro Código Civil y que más indigna a la ciudadanía."

Googe translation is:

"Says Inés Soria, Judge Dean of Barakaldo:

Squatters can be expelled by civil means in 5 days, but people are unaware of it and go to the Criminal Law, to the duty court to report due to inertia, but in the Civil procedure there is a more agile way.

If the other party does not present documents or evidence, the release of the "ignored occupants", which is how they are called in the legal language due to the difficulty of identification, can be agreed within 5 days, without prejudice to a subsequent trial. "

As I read it in a legal forum, I share it; because this is one of the issues that requires an urgent reform of our Civil Code and that most outrages the public. "

I think the whole tawdry legal issue is related to this 48 hour rule that if we don't report it , then the Police will not ask for the documents/evidence as per that civil route explained above. I don't think there is an express eviction if the Police regard the squatters as 'established'.

If there was a quick eviction route  for getting rid of squatters , we'd have heard about it by now. We're caught in a disgraceful legal trap to extort money out of us while allowing criminals to legally destroy our livelihoods and property.


Karen204

Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2021 11:20am

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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2021 11:20am

Keith001 wrote on Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:20am:

Hi Karen 

I actually don't have a clue what she's saying but maybe someone else will know.

"Dice Inés Soria, Jueza Decana de Barakaldo:

"Se puede expulsar a unos okupas por vía civil en 5 días, pero la gente lo desconoce y acude al Derecho Penal, al Juzgado de guardia a denunciar por inercia, pero en el procedimiento Civil hay una vía más ágil.

Si la otra parte no presenta documentos o pruebas, se puede acordar el lanzamiento de los "ignorados ocupantes" que es como se les denomina en el lenguaje jurídico por la dificultad de identificación, en 5 días, sin perjuicio de que haya un juicio posterior."

Tal como lo leo en un foro jurídico, lo comparto; porque esto es uno de los temas que requiere una reforma urgente de nuestro Código Civil y que más indigna a la ciudadanía."

Googe translation is:

"Says Inés Soria, Judge Dean of Barakaldo:

Squatters can be expelled by civil means in 5 days, but people are unaware of it and go to the Criminal Law, to the duty court to report due to inertia, but in the Civil procedure there is a more agile way.

If the other party does not present documents or evidence, the release of the "ignored occupants", which is how they are called in the legal language due to the difficulty of identification, can be agreed within 5 days, without prejudice to a subsequent trial. "

As I read it in a legal forum, I share it; because this is one of the issues that requires an urgent reform of our Civil Code and that most outrages the public. "

I think the whole tawdry legal issue is related to this 48 hour rule that if we don't report it , then the Police will not ask for the documents/evidence as per that civil route explained above. I don't think there is an express eviction if the Police regard the squatters as 'established'.

If there was a quick eviction route  for getting rid of squatters , we'd have heard about it by now. We're caught in a disgraceful legal trap to extort money out of us while allowing criminals to legally destroy our livelihoods and property.


Hi Keith.   I am not sure of the source, as it was sent to me; however the issue date seems to be 8th Aug, so I assume there is a civil route that we are not being advised of, but could well be a suitable option.   As you may already know, from earlier comments in this thread, my intruder was reported to the police within 24 hours and the denuncia was presented to the police within the stipulated 48 hrs, but the police did nothing, saying the matter should be referred to the Courts.   The Courts in Torrevieja are notoriously slow - it can take 12 months plus before any case is considered.    If have asked my lawyer for comments on this civil route.  If she thinks it's worth pursuing I would happily do this whilst my criminal case waits to be considered.  I just don't think the squatter should be allowed to reside 'all expenses paid' in my house without being challenged in any shape or form. It is just unfair.   I also cannot understand why the squatter should not be required to pay my legal fees, if/when the judge rules in my favour and issues an eviction order.   The threat of having to pay the property owner's legal bill might just be a deterrent in itself.   Currently, the whole situation is unbelievably unfair.  :(

Kimmy11

Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2021 11:40am

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Keith001 wrote on Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:20am:

Hi Karen 

I actually don't have a clue what she's saying but maybe someone else will know.

"Dice Inés Soria, Jueza Decana de Barakaldo:

"Se puede expulsar a unos okupas por vía civil en 5 días, pero la gente lo desconoce y acude al Derecho Penal, al Juzgado de guardia a denunciar por inercia, pero en el procedimiento Civil hay una vía más ágil.

Si la otra parte no presenta documentos o pruebas, se puede acordar el lanzamiento de los "ignorados ocupantes" que es como se les denomina en el lenguaje jurídico por la dificultad de identificación, en 5 días, sin perjuicio de que haya un juicio posterior."

Tal como lo leo en un foro jurídico, lo comparto; porque esto es uno de los temas que requiere una reforma urgente de nuestro Código Civil y que más indigna a la ciudadanía."

Googe translation is:

"Says Inés Soria, Judge Dean of Barakaldo:

Squatters can be expelled by civil means in 5 days, but people are unaware of it and go to the Criminal Law, to the duty court to report due to inertia, but in the Civil procedure there is a more agile way.

If the other party does not present documents or evidence, the release of the "ignored occupants", which is how they are called in the legal language due to the difficulty of identification, can be agreed within 5 days, without prejudice to a subsequent trial. "

As I read it in a legal forum, I share it; because this is one of the issues that requires an urgent reform of our Civil Code and that most outrages the public. "

I think the whole tawdry legal issue is related to this 48 hour rule that if we don't report it , then the Police will not ask for the documents/evidence as per that civil route explained above. I don't think there is an express eviction if the Police regard the squatters as 'established'.

If there was a quick eviction route  for getting rid of squatters , we'd have heard about it by now. We're caught in a disgraceful legal trap to extort money out of us while allowing criminals to legally destroy our livelihoods and property.


Hi Keith,

Do you have a link to this quote please?

Many thanks, 

Kim

8102Mko

Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:32pm

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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:32pm

Heard this company advertised on Bay Radio yesterday www.nosquatters.com Their website promises fast results but doesn’t elaborate on how they’d get them other than negotiating with the squatter. I guess they work much the same as others where you pay them company & give them money to give the squatter to leave. 

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