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dinnerout

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 8:19pm

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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 8:19pm

matelotmax wrote on Mon Feb 21, 2022 3:48pm:

Hello Kim

And first off thank you very much for such a lucid and illustrative message ;-)

In response to your message, might offer my insights [this is not to contradict you, because I don't think I can contradict or argue with such a logical and FACTUAL response];

1.  TorFx might not have an office in Spain [butit does have one within the EU], but that doesn't mean that they don't do business in Spain.

I have been using TorFx, without incident for the past three years including transfers of 6 figures plus to purchase my property and regular 5 figure transfer for major projects on that property. No incidents occurred.  The latest transfer was October last year, again without incident.  Funds moved swiftly and smoothly from UK to EU[Spain] without hindrance. However, TorFx have advised me that they have had problems with Banco Sabadell for "over 6 months" and always "when returning funds to UK". NEVER when sending funds from the same account TO Spain.  I believe that the expression is you cannot have your cake and eat it.  IF the account is tainted as "Fraudulent" in EITHER direction then it is reprehensible for any institution aware of this fact to continue financial commerce with the accused institution. SO - either the account is "Fraudulent" as alleged and Banco Sabadell are actively - with foreknowledge - participating with that account, then Banco Sabadell are guilty of "conspiracy to commit international fraud". Or the account is not fraudulent and Banco Sabadell have either gone off the rails [I had a similar incident some years ago with HSBC attempting to corner the market for my international money transfers, and they froze my accounts, insisting that I MUST attend my local branch in UK - at the time I was on Operational Tour with the UK Military in the Gulf - I sorted HSBC very swiftly!] and are either through inertia/inefficiency blocking the transfer due to unsubstantiated allegations.

Either way, it is the DUTY of Banco Sabadell to report such suspicions, for the investigation of money laundering and anti-terrorism. To that end I have asked repeatedly for BS to show proof that I may pass on to the authorities or show proof that they are already in contact with the authorities.  BS have stonewalled me at every attempt.

2.  "Once amounts get over $10,000, anti-money laundering and anti-terrorism regulations can mean banks (the ones at each end of the transaction)".  The amount requested to be transferred was not above $10,000 or even above Euro 10,000, [which is significantly less].   This was done deliberately due to the regulations you point out and of which I was fully aware. 

So, we come back to the fundamental question of why was the account highlighted as a "Fraudulent account" and because of the seriousness of that allegation which [if any] anti-money laundering, anti-terrorism authorities have been contacted.

Just to put things into perspective.  I gave been chasing this with Banco Sabadell  for over 2 months - constant stonewalling despite my copying in ALL my correspondence to there complaints dept, their legal dept, my branch and the originator of the allegation at Santa Pola. Yesterday, [SUNDAY] I contacted the Bank of England department responsibile for anti-money laundering, anti-terrorism, fraudulent activity etc & WITHIN 24 I have received definite guidance "due to the seriousness of your complaint" - not my words, the words of the Bank of England!

I will keep pursuing this because I hate being pushed from pillar to post and being ignored with a genuine complaint, and as I believe, I am not alone in this.

Regards

Max

Do you make your complaints in capital letters too? Could explain a lot...

Villas

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 8:53pm

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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 8:53pm

dinnerout wrote on Mon Feb 21, 2022 8:19pm:

Do you make your complaints in capital letters too? Could explain a lot...

Capital letters have two main roles:

  • to show the beginning of a sentence
  • to show proper nouns.
As in eg: D for "dinnerout"

https://concisewriting.com.au/should-defined-terms-begin-with-a-capital-letter/

V

Sue56

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:48pm

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Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:48pm

Herefordjack wrote on Sun Feb 20, 2022 2:52pm:

You should consider Wise for your FX exchange transactions. In my experience, they have the best exchange rate, the lowest commission, and the money is usually transferred instantaniously. There is no processing charge either, because the transfers are done through their EU based operation.

Admittedly I've only transferred one way, from my UK bank to my Sabadell account here, but I presume there wouldn't be any issue going the other way....

...

I am thinking about using only Wise as my main euro bank account (great as you say)  and getting rid of my Spanish account. It means you can withdraw euros in Spain and pay bills and keep you cash safe in UK. Like others getting charged for things and it’s out of our control. Anyone tried this ?/ 

matelotmax

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:32pm

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Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:32pm

Villas wrote on Mon Feb 21, 2022 8:53pm:

Capital letters have two main roles:

to show the beginning of a sentenceto show proper nouns.As in eg: D for "dinnerout"

https://concisewriting.com.au/should-defined-terms-begin-with-a-capital-letter/

V

You kritisising me Granma???

I is oozing it 4 emfasees init.

Max

matelotmax

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:43pm

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Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:43pm

Sue56 wrote on Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:48pm:

I am thinking about using only Wise as my main euro bank account (great as you say)  and getting rid of my Spanish account. It means you can withdraw euros in Spain and pay bills and keep you cash safe in UK. Like others getting charged for things and it’s out of our control. Anyone tried ...

...this ?/ 

Hello Sue

Again, thanks, that sounds like a brilliant idea.

I WILL [at the risk of appearing H'Iganorant and miss-oozing Kapetulls in de rung plaice] look into that [in this instance I again use the Kapetulls as ephasis as I cannot embolden - Oooh cheeky or underline/underscore - which is it??].

I am intent/intense/intended - woteva [;-) ] - to close my account with Banco Sabadell when I return in the Spring and WISE [oops did it again] might offer an alternative as you suggest.

My cunning plan was to contact any/all [is that grandmatikkaly korekt ;-)] direct debit recipients and divert the DDs to my UK HSBC account and swallow the commission/exchange rate charges.

I will contact wise/Wise/WISE - YES!!!  I can have my cake and eat it ;-)

And get back  to the Forum.

Once again Thanks.

Its good to receive factual and helpful advice.

Respectfully

Max

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matelotmax

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:52pm

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Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:52pm

matelotmax wrote on Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:43pm:

Hello Sue

Again, thanks, that sounds like a brilliant idea.

I WILL [at the risk of appearing H'Iganorant and miss-oozing Kapetulls in de rung plaice] look into that [in this instance I again use the Kapetulls as ephasis as I cannot embolden - Oooh cheeky or underline/underscore - which is it??].

I am intent/intense/intended - woteva [;-) ] - to close my account with Banco Sabadell when I return in the Spring and WISE [oops did it again] might offer an alternative as you suggest.

My cunning plan was to contact any/all [is that grandmatikkaly korekt ;-)] direct debit recipients and divert the DDs to my UK HSBC account and swallow the commission/exchange rate charges.

I will contact wise/Wise/WISE - YES!!!  I can have my cake and eat it ;-)

And get back  to the Forum.

Once again Thanks.

Its good to receive factual and helpful advice.

Respectfully

Max

Hello again Sue

Apparently yes you can use wise/Wise/WISE [ :-) ] to set up DDs.

What you have to do, from what I can gather is to set up a account, put some Sterling in, convert it to euros and leave it a holding account.  Set up the DDs and hey Presto.

I don't know, but I would assume that wise/Wise/WISE would inform you if funds run low.

Excellent.

I am not waiting to return to UK or to settle the beef/Beef/BEEF with Banco Sabadell, I will take away their business immediately.

I will then close the account in person in Spain [ I believe that there is a Euro 300 charge for closing account, but that is the last money they will see from me.]

Thank you so much;-)

Max

Sue56

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:53pm

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Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:53pm

matelotmax wrote on Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:43pm:

Hello Sue

Again, thanks, that sounds like a brilliant idea.

I WILL [at the risk of appearing H'Iganorant and miss-oozing Kapetulls in de rung plaice] look into that [in this instance I again use the Kapetulls as ephasis as I cannot embolden - Oooh cheeky or underline/underscore - which is it??].

I am intent/intense/intended - woteva [;-) ] - to close my account with Banco Sabadell when I return in the Spring and WISE [oops did it again] might offer an alternative as you suggest.

My cunning plan was to contact any/all [is that grandmatikkaly korekt ;-)] direct debit recipients and divert the DDs to my UK HSBC account and swallow the commission/exchange rate charges.

I will contact wise/Wise/WISE - YES!!!  I can have my cake and eat it ;-)

And get back  to the Forum.

Once again Thanks.

Its good to receive factual and helpful advice.

Respectfully

Max

Hi Max

As I understand it you can pay all your dds from your Wise euro account and no heavy conversion costs. (As I understand it)  I am not totally sure if legally we have to have a Spanish bank account if we have a property there. But I seems a much better alternative. Just download the wise app and read the details.

good luck.

Sue

matelotmax

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:55pm

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Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:55pm

Villas wrote on Mon Feb 21, 2022 8:53pm:

Capital letters have two main roles:

to show the beginning of a sentenceto show proper nouns.As in eg: D for "dinnerout"

https://concisewriting.com.au/should-defined-terms-begin-with-a-capital-letter/

V

I have a question

if writing within a bracket [or brackets], is the full stop/period/dot put after the end bracket or after the final word but inside the bracket.

Always been puzzled by this because neither look write

Max

Sue56

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:56pm

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Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:56pm

Sue56 wrote on Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:53pm:

Hi Max

As I understand it you can pay all your dds from your Wise euro account and no heavy conversion costs. (As I understand it)  I am not totally sure if legally we have to have a Spanish bank account if we have a property there. But I seems a much better alternative. Just download the wise app ...

...and read the details.

good luck.

Sue

Sorry our posts crossed!

matelotmax

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:57pm

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Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:57pm

Sue56 wrote on Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:56pm:

Sorry our posts crossed!

Hi Sue

Good Point - about the legality of owning a Spanish Bank account.

I will check with my solicitors.

Cheers

Max

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