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Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:57am
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davidsnoxell wrote on Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:38am:
Golandrina. What has the question got to do with driving??
The answer is ‘nothing’ but I thought that it would help to show the difference between the Facebook page and the website and the fact that officers of the Guardia Civil are involved.
Biff wrote on Sun Mar 21, 2021 7:58pm:
I wonder if anyone can help with this! A friend of mine was due to come here on Saturday hoping to get residency but initially fir the 90 day stay! She had her negative COVID test certificate, but they wouldn’t let her on the plane saying she needed a NIE card( why would she if she’s not &nbs...
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...p;getting residency first) She then booked another from another airport and went there but the same thing happened. Has she got it wrong trying to come now? Have they turned her down post Brexit because she says she wants to be a resident? Should she not be coming now? When she booked the flight they only told her about the COVID test
Hi everyone, I’m stuart, I arrived at Alicante airport Friday 26th with property deeds and NIE for my new home and letter from my solicitor re appointments for notary. Theses were all things allowable for other reasons for entry . They were scrutinised at Gatwick airport before the flight. On arrival at Alicante the boarder police wouldn’t even read our paperwork and said . No residency permit no entry. About 12 of us all with documents one even had his padrón cert, were returned to the plane we came on and were sent back. It was awful and the aggravation was unbelievable. EasyJet staff were stunned and the plane delayed returning to take all of us. We were interviewed back in the Uk by EasyJet and boarder authorities. It hadn’t happened before. It was just one aggressive boarder policeman in charge on Friday. The whole thing has cost me as I can’t get anything back and insult to injury, I’m legally imposed quarantine for ten days and the cost of two more covid tests for a one day trip to Alicante airport and back. I’m going to drive over next time with some furniture etc, I intended to move to Almoradi in Aug
Stuart63 wrote on Sun Mar 28, 2021 10:33am:
Hi everyone, I’m stuart, I arrived at Alicante airport Friday 26th with property deeds and NIE for my new home and letter from my solicitor re appointments for notary. Theses were all things allowable for other reasons for entry . They were scrutinised at Gatwick airport before the flight. On a...
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...rrival at Alicante the boarder police wouldn’t even read our paperwork and said . No residency permit no entry. About 12 of us all with documents one even had his padrón cert, were returned to the plane we came on and were sent back. It was awful and the aggravation was unbelievable. EasyJet staff were stunned and the plane delayed returning to take all of us. We were interviewed back in the Uk by EasyJet and boarder authorities. It hadn’t happened before. It was just one aggressive boarder policeman in charge on Friday. The whole thing has cost me as I can’t get anything back and insult to injury, I’m legally imposed quarantine for ten days and the cost of two more covid tests for a one day trip to Alicante airport and back. I’m going to drive over next time with some furniture etc, I intended to move to Almoradi in Aug
Sorry to hear that but who told you that those things would get you in? It is pretty clear that they wouldn't otherwise holiday home owners would be over there like a rat up a drainpipe. What was you notary appt for?
Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2021 1:26pm
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Stuart63 wrote on Sun Mar 28, 2021 10:33am:
Hi everyone, I’m stuart, I arrived at Alicante airport Friday 26th with property deeds and NIE for my new home and letter from my solicitor re appointments for notary. Theses were all things allowable for other reasons for entry . They were scrutinised at Gatwick airport before the flight. On a...
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...rrival at Alicante the boarder police wouldn’t even read our paperwork and said . No residency permit no entry. About 12 of us all with documents one even had his padrón cert, were returned to the plane we came on and were sent back. It was awful and the aggravation was unbelievable. EasyJet staff were stunned and the plane delayed returning to take all of us. We were interviewed back in the Uk by EasyJet and boarder authorities. It hadn’t happened before. It was just one aggressive boarder policeman in charge on Friday. The whole thing has cost me as I can’t get anything back and insult to injury, I’m legally imposed quarantine for ten days and the cost of two more covid tests for a one day trip to Alicante airport and back. I’m going to drive over next time with some furniture etc, I intended to move to Almoradi in Aug
Thanks for sharing your experience Stuart. Hopefully it won't be too long before you can get to your property.
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Portet wrote on Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:12am:
Sorry to hear that but who told you that those things would get you in? It is pretty clear that they wouldn't otherwise holiday home owners would be over there like a rat up a drainpipe. What was you notary appt for?
Hi, It was the link to government website provided by easyjet, its the info they are working too. They pre checked us at Gatwick with these guide lines. The guidelines included rental arrangements and students. It doesn't state non resident no entry. we wouldn't have bothered if options were not given. The UK boarder control said it hadn't happend before. Poor guy in front of me has lived in Spain four years and had the padron cert, but his wife outside the airport was the resident. He had returned to the UK for his fathers funeral. He had a letter on his phone as an appointment Monday with a solicitor re his residency, this was in the criteria. An officer took his phone and deleted the email. We later retrieved it from his trash bin on the phone.
This was like a flash back to the second world war aggessors
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Stuart63 wrote on Sun Mar 28, 2021 1:45pm:
Hi, It was the link to government website provided by easyjet, its the info they are working too. They pre checked us at Gatwick with these guide lines. The guidelines included rental arrangements and students. It doesn't state non resident no entry. we wouldn't have bothered if options were not&...
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...nbsp; given. The UK boarder control said it hadn't happend before. Poor guy in front of me has lived in Spain four years and had the padron cert, but his wife outside the airport was the resident. He had returned to the UK for his fathers funeral. He had a letter on his phone as an appointment Monday with a solicitor re his residency, this was in the criteria. An officer took his phone and deleted the email. We later retrieved it from his trash bin on the phone.
This was like a flash back to the second world war aggessors
Sounds like you were given correct information about being able to leave the UK but did you investigate whether you could enter Spain? There are two different countries regulations you need to comply with to leave one and enter another.
Portet wrote on Sun Mar 28, 2021 1:55pm:
Sounds like you were given correct information about being able to leave the UK but did you investigate whether you could enter Spain? There are two different countries regulations you need to comply with to leave one and enter another.
Additional requirements for UK nationals resident in Spain
The Spanish government has formally confirmed to the UK government that UK nationals who were legally residing in Spain before 1 January 2021, and as such are beneficiaries of the Withdrawal Agreement, can use any of the following documents to prove their residence status when entering Spain:
In the case of students, documentation must be presented that demonstrates enrolment in an on-site or in-person course that started prior to 1 January 2021 and proof of accommodation.
The Spanish government has confirmed that students enrolled in on-site or in-person courses starting after 1 January 2021 will not be permitted entry while the current restrictions on passenger travel from the UK by air and sea are in force. Once these restrictions are lifted, regular entry requirements will apply. See Regular entry requirements for further information including on visa requirements.
You must also show a valid passport when you travel and comply with the other documentation requirements, such as a negative COVID test within 72 hours of arrival, as set out in this travel advice.
The above list of documentation has also been communicated to airlines and other operators.
STUART: This is the government agreement with Spain, I have owned my property since last October. This is our governments website statement. All documents were ignored by controlling police officer at the boarder.
Sorry. Got the impression you were non-resident as you referred to NIE in your post and made no mention of residency
Portet wrote on Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:52pm:
Sorry. Got the impression you were non-resident as you referred to NIE in your post and made no mention of residency
No problem, I haven't started my residency as was attempting to get the Padron in the next couple of weeks at the town hall. I'm now asking my solicitor as my power of attorney to look at this. She goes in and out of my bank account often enough :)
Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:35pm
Stuart63 wrote on Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:34pm:
Additional requirements for UK nationals resident in Spain
The Spanish government has formally confirmed to the UK government that UK nationals who were legally residing in Spain before 1 January 2021, and as such are beneficiaries of the Withdrawal Agreement, can use any of the following docum...
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...ents to prove their residence status when entering Spain:
Residence card issued under Article 18.4 of the Withdrawal Agreement (the TIE – Tarjeta de Identidad de Extranjero)Temporary or permanent EU residence certificate (Certificado de Registro de Ciudadanos de la Unión)Receipt of application for the TIE (Resgaurdo de presentación de la solicitud de la tarjeta de residencia)Confirmation of the positive outcome of your residence application (Resolución favorable por la que se concede la tarjeta de residencia)In the absence of any of the above, other documents that credibly evidence your legal residence in Spain before 1 January 2021, such as a padrón certificate (issued by your town hall), a work contract, a rental contract, or proof of property purchase may be presented. However, due to current travel restrictions, be aware that you may be questioned on arrival by Spanish border authorities to ensure you meet the legal entry requirements. Spanish border authorities will only grant entry if they are satisfied that you are returning to Spain to your habitual place of residence, and reserve the right to deny passage.In the case of students, documentation must be presented that demonstrates enrolment in an on-site or in-person course that started prior to 1 January 2021 and proof of accommodation.
The Spanish government has confirmed that students enrolled in on-site or in-person courses starting after 1 January 2021 will not be permitted entry while the current restrictions on passenger travel from the UK by air and sea are in force. Once these restrictions are lifted, regular entry requirements will apply. See Regular entry requirements for further information including on visa requirements.
You must also show a valid passport when you travel and comply with the other documentation requirements, such as a negative COVID test within 72 hours of arrival, as set out in this travel advice.
The above list of documentation has also been communicated to airlines and other operators.
STUART: This is the government agreement with Spain, I have owned my property since last October. This is our governments website statement. All documents were ignored by controlling police officer at the boarder.
I have seen this list before, but in effect none of these documents prove you were a resident. In our town hall anyone used to be able to go in with a rental agreement or deeds and be given a Padron certificate whether you were a resident or not. I suppose a Padron certficate and deeds/rental agreement along with bank statements showing utility bills & weekly shopping in Spain would show that.
I sympathise with your situation, but I feel the UK govenment website is misleading or being misinterpreted. It should be the Spanish government website travellers get information from, not the UK's, after all you wouldn't look at the African government website to see the rules in Switzerland.
Again I feel for the chap who went back to the UK for a funeral, but if he's lived in Spain for four years, he had plenty of time to get his residency.
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