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Care4

Posted: Mon Apr 6, 2020 10:36am

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Posted: Mon Apr 6, 2020 10:36am

dinnerout wrote on Sun Apr 5, 2020 8:02pm:

One disappointing aspect of the crisis is the number of anti EU people gloating how well the UK is placed to weather recession in comparison to the European countries worst hit. It seems they're not satisfied with winning the Referendum,  they want to see the EU suffer and break up. Not only...

... is it disappointing but they seem to also be able to predict the future.

QE may not be available to Spain or Italy but there is no doubt that the EU will have to ensure that Spain and Italy do not suffer disproportionate hardship because that in itself will indeed risk the future security of the EU .

I believe that in the end, they will. And I believe trade between the EU countries will become stronger and more protectionist to the EU map than ever before.

The UK may have QE but it has yet to agree trade deals with Europe, the US, or indeed any country, and it may just find that the exit from the EU came at precisely the wrong time. 

Obviously, time will tell, sad times for all, let's not bury the corpse until it's dead.

Steve

Dinnerout. I am not anti EU per se. But it is an inescapable fact that there are less net contributors to the EU coffers than vice versa and getting less with the exit of the UK. When the majority of EU countries require a vast amount of money to support them in these trying times it is impossible for the few to bankroll the many. It is all very well suggesting that the EU will be stronger after this because they will become closer and more protectionist but they need exports to bring in much needed revenue to support the states.They will need trade deals as much as any of the other countries of the world. Adam Smith concluded that a self contained market could never increase its wealth because it just recirculated the money available to it.

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Posted: Mon Apr 6, 2020 11:12am

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Mrmike wrote on Mon Apr 6, 2020 9:51am:

With the Herd immunity plan still seemingly in limbo in the UK, any large increase in infections could bring about total

isolation of the UK and cause a forced request to rejoin the EU.

The British people want to get out of the EU straitjacket as soon as possible!!!

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Posted: Mon Apr 6, 2020 11:14am

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Posted: Mon Apr 6, 2020 11:14am

dinnerout wrote on Sun Apr 5, 2020 8:02pm:

One disappointing aspect of the crisis is the number of anti EU people gloating how well the UK is placed to weather recession in comparison to the European countries worst hit. It seems they're not satisfied with winning the Referendum,  they want to see the EU suffer and break up. Not only...

... is it disappointing but they seem to also be able to predict the future.

QE may not be available to Spain or Italy but there is no doubt that the EU will have to ensure that Spain and Italy do not suffer disproportionate hardship because that in itself will indeed risk the future security of the EU .

I believe that in the end, they will. And I believe trade between the EU countries will become stronger and more protectionist to the EU map than ever before.

The UK may have QE but it has yet to agree trade deals with Europe, the US, or indeed any country, and it may just find that the exit from the EU came at precisely the wrong time. 

Obviously, time will tell, sad times for all, let's not bury the corpse until it's dead.

Steve

People in Britain that wanted to escape the EU, are not gloating but it makes the case to leave as soon as possible

Care4

Posted: Mon Apr 6, 2020 11:31am

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RayD. Sorry. but there is no euphemism, or are you saying that there are not fewer states who are net contributors to the EU coffers than those in receipt of funds? My post said nothing about there being no trade deals post brexit. I was making a comment, if you read it properly, on Dinnerout's assumption that the EU would be more inward looking and protectionist post Covid19. I'm afraid that your assumption that there is strength in numbers would seem a little lame to Greece, Italy and Spain who have all recently requested bail outs. Perhaps you also missed the news that the new governor of the Bank of England will not authorise more money printing to satisfy the perceived demands of the Chancellor.

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& those who were not allowed to vote or enter the referendum?

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Posted: Mon Apr 6, 2020 12:07pm

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Posted: Mon Apr 6, 2020 12:07pm

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Latest EU budget figures - 10 net contributor countries and 18 net beneficiary countries so Care4 is correct. 

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Posted: Mon Apr 6, 2020 2:36pm

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Posted: Mon Apr 6, 2020 2:36pm

Every single pension/investment company will be doing exactly the same thing and therefore millions of brits will be the beneficiaries if the markets rise again. It would be a strange world if the folks that we pay to manage and maximise the return on our investments didn't buy when prices were good.

Martin6002

Posted: Mon Apr 6, 2020 2:41pm

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Posted: Mon Apr 6, 2020 2:41pm

Gilly09 wrote on Sun Apr 5, 2020 12:45am:

Not totally as cut and dried.

As I am fully legal and no help for me and I have Residencia.

My choice is to pay Autonomo at the lower rate suspend for 2 months but then go on normal rate of €370 per month. I struggle with the lower rate so all those "illegal" businesses people bang on about may have no choice as that is starting to look like the only option for many as they don't earn enough.

Many people I know also have extended their borrowing power of family and friends.

I asked the bank for a 300 overdraft to  over food and Autonomo and was told no as I had no money in the bank! Errrr reason for overdraft.

Life is not black and white that is all I am saying before people judge.

Sorry to hear this.

Sending you best wishes.

Martin6002

Posted: Mon Apr 6, 2020 2:45pm

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Posted: Mon Apr 6, 2020 2:45pm

Thank you to everyone for the interesting debate.

Hard times and good luck and best wishes to all.

Care4

Posted: Mon Apr 6, 2020 4:41pm

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Rayd. The owners of the ExCell centre are a Dubia property company. So unless the UK has extended its borders they are not British. Can we also take it that you do not take advantage of lower prices at the sales? I would suggest that Jacob Rees Mog is gambling that the share price will rise when the emergency is over. However the companies he is suggesting as buys could just as easily go bust before the share prices rise. It would be very strange indeed if anyone insisted on paying a higher price when things get cheaper.

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