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Angebadge

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:47pm

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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:47pm

John 52 wrote on Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:26pm:

Well angebadge you can wear any amount of masks you wish ,that is exercising your right and I have no problem with that ,you also say people dont like wearing masks ,well I'm one of them ,my right ,but how do you explain single travellers in cars wearing masks ,

Hi John

I think that people who will continue wearing a mask (no need for multiple masks John, that’s just silly) will do just that; continue.

You state it’s your right not to wear a mask; it is. However, I don’t think that those who will continue to wear one will be mocking or questioning the judgement of those who, when rules allow, refrain from doing so.

As for asking me why drivers, alone in their cars, wear masks, I have no idea. If you ask me to guess, or say what my postman said (who delivers by car) “I can’t be bothered putting it on and taking it off; I just leave it on, it’s easier”.

I asked “Even if we were to accept it does no good, does it do any harm?” Other than    “I don’t like it”, does it? 🤪🥂

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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:12pm

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GordonH605 wrote on Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:12pm:

Unfortunately the 'best available scientific evidence' doesn't actually amount to very much with respect to the effectiveness of masks in real life situations.  Which is really quite shocking when so many people have been required to wear them for so long, and most have willingly done so bas...

...ed only on a 'belief that they work' (as others have said on this forum).  

With all the many billions spent in response to Covid, could the authorities not have spent some of it finding out which restrictions actually work and which don't?   The answer is that they haven't done that research because it might reveal that they've done something wrong, which is the last thing that any politician or civil servant would want to do.  

Hi Gordon,

There have been numerous studies into the effectiveness of mask-wearing in preventing the spread of Covid-19.  There's even the anecdotal evidence of the almost non-existent incidence of deaths by influenza during the last winter period because of people adopting the required safety precautions.  Based on all this evidence, the WHO and CDCs changed their policy on the wearing of masks when they recategorised Covid-19 as an "airborne", rather than "respiratory" virus.  If people wear a medical grade mask "correctly" (FFP1 or FFP2), it prevents them from emitting aerosol droplets, which may contain the SARS-Cov2 virus into the air - it's that simple.

Regards,

Kim

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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:25pm

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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:25pm

Angebadge wrote on Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:47pm:

Hi John

I think that people who will continue wearing a mask (no need for multiple masks John, that’s just silly) will do just that; continue.

You state it’s your right not to wear a mask; it is. However, I don’t think that those who will continue to wear one will be mocking or questioning the judgement of those who, when rules allow, refrain from doing so.

As for asking me why drivers, alone in their cars, wear masks, I have no idea. If you ask me to guess, or say what my postman said (who delivers by car) “I can’t be bothered putting it on and taking it off; I just leave it on, it’s easier”.

I asked “Even if we were to accept it does no good, does it do any harm?” Other than    “I don’t like it”, does it? 🤪🥂

Well Ange the rules here in Spain state no need for masks outdoors  if you can stay apart 1,5m I've no problem with that ,I believe in UK from next Monday  masks will be obligatory even indoors , even if unlike Spain ,citizens in UK were never ordered to wear outdoors  ,in my view another good thing,but if people wish to continue wearing them I'm ok ,but along as people wear masks getting back to  normality will never happen 

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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:27pm

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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:27pm

Angebadge wrote on Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:47pm:

Hi John

I think that people who will continue wearing a mask (no need for multiple masks John, that’s just silly) will do just that; continue.

You state it’s your right not to wear a mask; it is. However, I don’t think that those who will continue to wear one will be mocking or questioning the judgement of those who, when rules allow, refrain from doing so.

As for asking me why drivers, alone in their cars, wear masks, I have no idea. If you ask me to guess, or say what my postman said (who delivers by car) “I can’t be bothered putting it on and taking it off; I just leave it on, it’s easier”.

I asked “Even if we were to accept it does no good, does it do any harm?” Other than    “I don’t like it”, does it? 🤪🥂

Hi Ange,

Currently, in Spain, John52 and the rest of us don't have the right not to wear masks, unless we're outside and can maintain social distance of at least 1.5m.

In the UK, as I have no doubt you're aware, BoJo has been subjected to so much criticism for relaxing mandatory mask-wearing, he's had to back-peddle by saying that people will still be "expected" to wear masks from 19 July.  If, as Gordon incorrectly asserts, there's no evidence that masks are effective, it makes you wonder why BoJo would risk further criticism for yet another u-turn 🤔😉

Kind regards,

Kim

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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:51pm

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John 52 wrote on Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:30pm:

It depends on what you believe  ,there are optimistic people  who just want to get on with life ,and they see the reduction of government restrictions as a good thing and being on the road back to normality  contrast that with pessimistic people when they hear of government restric...

...tions easing ,they think right away that their lives are going to be made worse ,they are happy with the way life has become ,this is normality to them ,people wearing masks outdoors when nobody about and solo i n cars ,my attitude is if people wish to hang onto restrictions when no longer required, then go ahead but dont expect others to live in Covid world ,also while I'm at it ,anybody who has time on their hands maybe they can put it to better use rather than tour bars to check that nobody is breaking Spanish law

John, I don't insist you wear a mask in Spain - the law does!  

Difficult to respond to the rest of your post, as there appear to be words missing.  However, you should expect a robust response from your sweeping generalisation that those of us who comply with the regulations that protect not just ourselves, but others too, are "pessimistic", that we think our "lives are going to get worse" and that we're "happy about it".  These are your words that I took issue with - they certainly don't apply to me, AngeBadge nor, I suspect, the majority on this forum.

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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:18pm

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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:18pm

Kimmy11 wrote on Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:51pm:

John, I don't insist you wear a mask in Spain - the law does!  

Difficult to respond to the rest of your post, as there appear to be words missing.  However, you should expect a robust response from your sweeping generalisation that those of us who comply with the regulations that protect not just ourselves, but others too, are "pessimistic", that we thi...

...nk our "lives are going to get worse" and that we're "happy about it".  These are your words that I took issue with - they certainly don't apply to me, AngeBadge nor, I suspect, the majority on this forum.

Certainly cant recall Johnson saying you would be expected to wear face masks ,anyway as I'm in Scotland, it wont affect me ,regarding Johnson u turning again I dont think he will care too much about that ,You seem to keep missing my point ,I've no issue with people wearing masks and obeying sometimes unreasonable laws ,but when laws are being relaxed I dont see why people should expect others to still obey laws that are no longer in place  ,regards studying this that and the other that's your perogative

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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:37pm

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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:37pm

Kimmy11 wrote on Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:12pm:

Hi Gordon,

There have been numerous studies into the effectiveness of mask-wearing in preventing the spread of Covid-19.  There's even the anecdotal evidence of the almost non-existent incidence of deaths by influenza during the last winter period because of people adopting the required safety precauti...

...ons.  Based on all this evidence, the WHO and CDCs changed their policy on the wearing of masks when they recategorised Covid-19 as an "airborne", rather than "respiratory" virus.  If people wear a medical grade mask "correctly" (FFP1 or FFP2), it prevents them from emitting aerosol droplets, which may contain the SARS-Cov2 virus into the air - it's that simple.

Regards,

Kim

Every one i know, my wife included has had to wear a mask atleast 12hrs a day for work and never went out, they all got covid. Yet I went on holiday for 3 months where masks weren't mandatory and the infection rate was similar to spain and i caught nothing and I wasn't the only one. Explain that to me

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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:54pm

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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:54pm

aitchc1401 wrote on Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:25pm:

Hi,

   I have no idea but googling the question comes up with:

Local Guides is a global community of explorers who write reviews, share photos, answer questions, add or edit places and check facts on Google Maps. Millions of people rely on contributions like yours to decide where to go and what to do.

Sounds like you can to sign up to be a local guide, similar to posting on Tripadvisor. I have left a couple of reviews on Google without signing up so I don't think you need to become a local guide.

By the way, I could not find any sign of the alleged posts on google or tripadvisor, don't know if you had any luck.

Aitch.

I did not find any either. 

Kimmy11

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:11pm

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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:11pm

Martyn1986 wrote on Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:37pm:

Every one i know, my wife included has had to wear a mask atleast 12hrs a day for work and never went out, they all got covid. Yet I went on holiday for 3 months where masks weren't mandatory and the infection rate was similar to spain and i caught nothing and I wasn't the only one. Explain that ...

...to me

Then everyone you knew who caught Covid, including your wife, couldn't have washed their hands properly - and they did go out: "at least 12 hrs a day for work" according to you.

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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:21pm

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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:21pm

John, you say

”I don’t see why people should expect others to still obey laws that are no longer in place”

I don’t think that’s what been said at all! On the contrary, unless I am completely missing the point here, it is you who appears to castigate anyone who wishes to continue wearing a mask when not a legal requirement.

The bottom line is, when governments decide it’s no longer a requirement to wear a mask in certain settings, that is fine. If people continue to wear them, that also is fine.

My understanding is, the OP was unhappy that someone chose to present themselves 30cms away, without a mask and smoking. Why you have continually referred to this as “meddling in other people’s affairs” is puzzling to say the least.

Regardless of whether or not you think breaking the rules is ok, it’s not, if, by breaking those rules you may put others as risk. There are courtesies which most people are happy to afford others. By smoking in such close proximity to others, not wearing a mask and being less than complimentary to the England team would appear to indicate this female was not only “breaking the law”, but was equally disrespectful of others using the bar 🤪🥂

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